Greeting all! Still consider myself "new" around the FOG, but have been around mostly reading/lurking for a year. This is a REALLY LONG post, hopefully I don't bore people, I'm trying to provide as much info as possible.
I've made a decision to official jump into woodworking as a new hobby. It's something I've always been interested in getting into (fond memories of watching Norm Abram on New Yankee Workshop). I consider myself typical homeowner DIY'er in general, but all of that work has been more along the lines of rough carpentry kind of work. I've recently had the experience as being "owner builder" as the general contractor on two jobs on my house, a bedroom addition and demo/re-build of a porch. All of the work was subbed out but I ran the jobs, and I found it very enjoyable. Now I want to get into more finish work kind of things. Build some practical stuff and all that jazz. I'm also an IT professional by day, and if that line of work ever falls out for me, having learned a hands on trade like this gives me another option to pursue financially, should it come to it.
I like to buy quality tools and I've been lusting over Festool. I'm a firm believer in a quality product making a difference (even though the user is the largest part), and I've decided to invest into the Festool system. I know some may think I'm crazy (although hopefully not people who read FOG!), but it's this is the way I do things in general. I'm fortunate to have some money I can spend on this venture, and if it all backfires on me, the resale value on Festool being as good gives me comfort in being able to recoup most of what was spent.
My garage and driveway will be my workshop area. I have a section in the garage that's roughly 11' x 4' that can be configured with a "permanent" bench type area, although that area currently shares sthe space with a 44" toolchest, so it's more like 7' x 4', but I can rotate the toolchest or move it to a sidewall. I park 1 car in the garage and need to maintain that ability. I also want to to maintain flexibility of use of the garage, so no cabinet style tools. Everything handheld/benchtop/jobsite style so it can be moved around easily. The garage has free space on the sides in the oversized "gutter" area and my goal is to be able to store all tools and work items in those areas to keep floor space open when it's not in use.
I have no specific goals other than to learn, get better, and "build stuff". However, I do have a few things in mind on my desired to build list:
Note that I do have an RO 150 FEQ (just picked it up on a great deal). Other notable tools in my collection are a Fein MM 250, older corded and cordless Dremel, 18 gauge pneumatic brad nailer, 2 different air compressors, a entry level Bosch corded circ saw and 1/4" palm sander, and plenty of screwdrivers/ratchets, but not much else in the power tool department. A few random hand tools, low end chissels, saws, etc. Most of this stuff was purchased at a time where I didn't have a lot of money available to spend, but needed these tools to get some work done.
I've put together a rough cost list of everything I think I'd eventually want from Festool, and it's over $5k, and that doesn't include any non-Festool branded stuff. I'm thinking up to $3k initial spend on tools, and hopefully initial materials I would need for some of these things.
I'm feeling pretty confident in these 3 as a definite initial purchase:
From there, I'm not so sure what would be best to get and how to do it...
Welp, I think I covered it all. To those of you who took the time to read eveyrthing, I'll say thank you ahead of time! I'm looking forward to spending some dollars, getting some new toys, and building some cool things, and greatly appreciate feedback from the experts before I pull the trigger.
I've made a decision to official jump into woodworking as a new hobby. It's something I've always been interested in getting into (fond memories of watching Norm Abram on New Yankee Workshop). I consider myself typical homeowner DIY'er in general, but all of that work has been more along the lines of rough carpentry kind of work. I've recently had the experience as being "owner builder" as the general contractor on two jobs on my house, a bedroom addition and demo/re-build of a porch. All of the work was subbed out but I ran the jobs, and I found it very enjoyable. Now I want to get into more finish work kind of things. Build some practical stuff and all that jazz. I'm also an IT professional by day, and if that line of work ever falls out for me, having learned a hands on trade like this gives me another option to pursue financially, should it come to it.
I like to buy quality tools and I've been lusting over Festool. I'm a firm believer in a quality product making a difference (even though the user is the largest part), and I've decided to invest into the Festool system. I know some may think I'm crazy (although hopefully not people who read FOG!), but it's this is the way I do things in general. I'm fortunate to have some money I can spend on this venture, and if it all backfires on me, the resale value on Festool being as good gives me comfort in being able to recoup most of what was spent.
My garage and driveway will be my workshop area. I have a section in the garage that's roughly 11' x 4' that can be configured with a "permanent" bench type area, although that area currently shares sthe space with a 44" toolchest, so it's more like 7' x 4', but I can rotate the toolchest or move it to a sidewall. I park 1 car in the garage and need to maintain that ability. I also want to to maintain flexibility of use of the garage, so no cabinet style tools. Everything handheld/benchtop/jobsite style so it can be moved around easily. The garage has free space on the sides in the oversized "gutter" area and my goal is to be able to store all tools and work items in those areas to keep floor space open when it's not in use.
I have no specific goals other than to learn, get better, and "build stuff". However, I do have a few things in mind on my desired to build list:
- Clamp racks
- Rolling wood storage bins
- Customized drawer inserts for kitchen (utensil, silverware, knife) and desk (pens, pencils, etc)
- Work bench - To replace my Harbor Freigh bench. I'm thinking something along the lines of the BenchWorks Sssport Workbench with it sized to my designated area
- Perhaps the BenchWorks MF-TC with two foldable xtensions to accomodate full sheets while still being able to be stored in the side of the garage. Could just do foldable extensions or saw horses with an MFT/3 to accomodate this, but I think the MF-TC is a pretty trick setup in general and would be nice for setting up in the driveway, or if I needed to setup in the house for some reason, or backyard, etc., it would be perfect for that
- As a future goal, building new bedroom furniture (dressers and end tables) to replace the cheapie stuff we've had for 10 years would be cool, and perhaps building an expanding dining room table since the one my wife wants is over $4000! [eek]
Note that I do have an RO 150 FEQ (just picked it up on a great deal). Other notable tools in my collection are a Fein MM 250, older corded and cordless Dremel, 18 gauge pneumatic brad nailer, 2 different air compressors, a entry level Bosch corded circ saw and 1/4" palm sander, and plenty of screwdrivers/ratchets, but not much else in the power tool department. A few random hand tools, low end chissels, saws, etc. Most of this stuff was purchased at a time where I didn't have a lot of money available to spend, but needed these tools to get some work done.
I've put together a rough cost list of everything I think I'd eventually want from Festool, and it's over $5k, and that doesn't include any non-Festool branded stuff. I'm thinking up to $3k initial spend on tools, and hopefully initial materials I would need for some of these things.
I'm feeling pretty confident in these 3 as a definite initial purchase:
- Dust Extractor - CT36. Put a lot of reading and thought into this. I don't need portability and the 36 as the same floor footprint as the 26, it's just 2" higher. The vac will sit in the garage and roll around the garage, maybe out to the drive. I can't imagine the extra weight of a mostly full bag is really that big of a deal. The 36 makes more sense to me on consumables cost over time.
- Track Saw - I know I want both a track saw and a jobsite table saw, but I'm thinking go with the TS 55 and add a table saw later. The general consensus I got is the track saw can do practically everything the table saw can, but vice versa, it just may not be as fast/efficient/easy/highly repetable. As those things aren't critical to me at the time, the track saw seems like the best option. I figure I would want a single track for ripping full sheets down the 8' dimension too... FS 2700 or FS 3000 for this? And would I want anything shorter than the 55" that comes with the saw?
- Sander - I know I can probably get away with just the RO 150 for now but I'm strongly considering adding an RTS 400 (possibly DTS 400) to compliment it, as something specific to finish sanding, with less weight, and much easier to control for finish sanding tasks. A sander triggers 10% discount on CT as well, although I know the TS55 or another tool can as well.
From there, I'm not so sure what would be best to get and how to do it...
- MFT/3 - I know everyone says this is an absolute must, but I just look at it and thing that it's ton of money for a table. If I build a sysport style bench with an MFT style top and some t-trcks on the sides, or I build the MF-TC, which I assume would both be much cheaper than buying an MFT/3, do I actually need an MFT/3? Or am I better off with an MFT/3? The $600 for the table goes a long way towards other tools. I did receive one suggestion to start with an MFT/3 and figure out how I will work and setup my workspace, then determine if building something to replace it makes sense, and sell the MFT/3 if necessary.
- Jig Saw - Carvex or Bosch JS572, been reading a lot, thinking just stick with Carvex, even though it will cost a bunch more once accessory kit is added, but a little more functionality out of it. I think a jig saw may need to be part of an initial purchase, but not certain.
- Router - Thinking OF 1400 for the middle ground, single router to do everything I would probably need. From what I've read, I would want a router for building MFT style tops, and for various joint types, but do I go Domino for now instead, and just buy an MFT/3 and drill out MFT style top on bench/mf-tc type projects donw the road (or by hand)?
- Domino - I think the DF 500 would be fine, even with the bedroom furniture/table options I'm considering down the road. I like having almost all the options by doing a DF 700+Seneca Adaptor+DomiShims but that's almsot $600 more money, which is a lot. I know pretty much anything I'm looking at doing could be build with Domini's, but it's a very expensive tool + consumables for the assortment/cutter T-Loc's and that I could obviously build stuff without them. Everyone just seems to love them and find them awesome for joinery, should it be a first purchase?
- Miter Saw - I don't think I'd ever bring myself to spend Kapex money. Would probably go with something else. Doesn't seem like a miter saw is something I would really need right now either, but haven't put much thought into it
- Drills - As mentioned, my plan is to stick with my existing drill collection as I find it more than adquate, but I'm open to hearing why buying Festool's drills might be superior to everything else on the market and why I should have one at som epoint
Welp, I think I covered it all. To those of you who took the time to read eveyrthing, I'll say thank you ahead of time! I'm looking forward to spending some dollars, getting some new toys, and building some cool things, and greatly appreciate feedback from the experts before I pull the trigger.