Opinions needed, apply within --- RO 90 Abrasives Assortment Systainer

[Administrator_JSVN]

Over in another thread about the RO 90 sander, I asked if anyone would be interested in an abrasive assortment systainer. Many of you expressed an interest and now it's time to solicit the group for more information so we can make this happen.

The most important thing is to vote using the poll at the top of this thread on the dollar amount (in US dollars) that you'd consider reasonable for such a product.

Once you've voted, if you have some opinions on the types and/or grits of abrasives you'd like to see, then share your thoughts. I think we've established that people are most interested in an assortment that has each of the 8 slots in the abrasives systainer filled half and half with round and delta shaped paper. Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.

This is to collect information in preparation for creating the assortment. There's no guarantee that the ideas here will be used, but I suspect they will significantly impact the final product.

Thanks,
Shane

 

[Joe Smith]

I voted for the cheapest since you asked, but I would be willing to pay more, but it all depends on what exactly is included in it.  I am waiting on this assortment systainer before I pre-order to RO90.

 

[nickao]

I would probably buy an empty abrasive Systainer as I want control over the grits and more importantly the actual type of paper.

What would be very cool, but impracticable, would be letting us have a pick from a few different assortments. I mean I want Cristal and very little of anything else. A finishing package or a rough sanding package would be nice.

I really think more than cost,  paper type is the most important thing and then grit and total paper count. I think if that is right I would pay up to the max you have listed if it discounts the paper enough.

 

[Redfox]

Since all things Festool are way more expensive here in Scandinavia, I would go for the high price. But I would like to ask if it's going to be an offer to Danish as well as other Europeans as well?
It would be nice, as I expect to buy a RO90 around April.
Would like to see it include Granat paper as well, since I really like that type.

Cheers,
Jacques.

 

[elkhunter]

Hi Shane,

It would seem quite practical to offer a RO 90  abrasive kit with systainer for the cost of the systainer and a small assortment of abrasives.  One would think the idea would be to make the RO 90 more appealing to the end user and at the same time to put a small assortment of abrasives in the new users hands and let them determine which abrasive serves them well for re-order purposes.
Only you and Festool know what it costs for you to break even and perhaps enjoy some profitability on the new sander with a built in assortment of abrasives.

I personally would gladly pay for a systainer and a small amount to TRY a FEW abrasives and then determine what my needs are.

Many thanks for the opportunity to submit our thoughts,

 

[VictorL]

I'll opt for promo "buy more and save". This package should be much cheaper than  buying parts separately. Another good promo action "Buy Sander and assortment  package and save more"

 

[jmbfestool]

I would rather see more round than delta as i believe you use more round than delta pads.

I know it does not mater as I'm uk lol

Jmb

 

[Sparktrician]

Given the success of the Systainer I modified for sanding disks for my RO125, I tend to think that I'll make my own to accommodate the supplies that I'll need for the RO90.  

[smile]

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I don't know about the Granat.  It cuts great at first but then seems to lose it's edge.
It does not gum up though and is pretty durable.  I had a couple pieces that the sandpaper separated from the hook and loop backing.

It would have both RO 90 and deltex paper and pads?

 

[Jay Brewer]

I think it will be very hard to put together a package that everyone can agree on.

Why not offer a % discount on the abrasives when you buy the RO90 and an empty abrasive Systainer? This would allow everyone to get what they want.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Shane,

I'm not sure that we have enough information to make a choice.  Typically people will go for the cheapest price, but what if in Festool's eyes that translates to meaning we have to limit the types of and quantity of sandpaper in the kit.  On the flip side, if most people voted for the highest amount, Festool might see that as the ok to put in more sandpaper and more expensive or better sandpaper.

Would you be able to get a clarification for us?

Thanks.

 

[Jeff Hein]

My plan would be to stock up on a lot of different grits of Rubin sandpaper, if this is a Rubin or a Rubin/Brilliant kit, I would be in.

It would be nice to know what type of paper would be in this kit...

I plan on buying pretty much all Rubin grits, so if that is what is in the kit,  then I would gladly pay for them.

 

[John Stevens]

I really think more than cost,  paper type is the most important thing and then grit and total paper count. I think if that is right I would pay up to the max you have listed if it discounts the paper enough.

Exactly, well put.  Whenever I think about buying a new Festool sander, I know I'll spend almost as much again on the abrasives as on the sander.  And with this baby, between the three functions, I'd probably spend a lot of money to get a range of grits and papers to suit each type of use.

Regards,

John

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

The deltex paper is pretty cheap. 

I can't see the 90mm paper being that expensive either.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

A couple of clarifications... First, the price will dictate the quantities of paper as you might assume. The assortment will, of course, offer savings versus purchasing the items separately.

Secondly, this will not be available outside of the US/Canadian markets unless Germany decides to follow suit at some point. That means this is exclusively AINA.  [smile]

Since it would be impossible to come to a consensus among the group on the types of paper and grits, we will make our best attempts to satisfy the vast majority of customers with an assortment that is well-suited for most applications. I doubt you will see two or more assortments offered.

 

[Alan m]

i think the best way is to  buy the empty systainer and buy one or more of starter bundles. these bundles would be aimed at different jobs and trades, such as painters and decorators, furniture makers and carpenters etc. this would allow each type of user to experience everthing relivent to their trade and allow people to swap trades easily. i would love if this was available on all sanders as a starter kit

 

[psee]

i think the best way is to  buy the empty systainer and buy one or more of starter bundles. these bundles would be aimed at different jobs and trades, such as painters and decorators, furniture makers and carpenters etc. this would allow each type of user to experience everthing relivent to their trade and allow people to swap trades easily. i would love if this was available on all sanders as a starter kit

I agree with this.  Make a couple of "stand alone" assortments geared at different trades.  This could be another option.  It would allow for alot of flexability and give more people what they want. 

 

[nickao]

It depends on what the point of the assortment is.

Is it to get a person different types of paper so the newbies can see the difference? Or is it to get an assortment of grits for a project?

Because there are so many papers and so many projects I guess it makes sense to make the assortments as samplers of all the different papers you have in some very common grits. Then a person can decide what they want to stock up on.

On the other hand a tradesman probably knows what paper he wants and will not get the assortment because the other papers he may not like or ever use. They would most likely want one of two things, a assortment of grits in the paper they like for rough sanding or an assortment of grits of what they like for finish sanding.

So from a Festool point of view I guess it makes most sense to make one sampler of every type of paper. Then find which is Festools most popular paper and make a sampler of a grit assortment of that paper. All the grits from 24 to 400 would be nice for that.

 

[Wood_Junkie]

Here’s my vote/input.  Since there are 8 spaces, an assortment would be:
Rubin 80/120/180
Brilliant 2 180/220/400
Granat 40/80

This gives a starter assortment for dealing with bare wood; for dealing with finishing; and for dealing with stripping.

Obviously as paper is used, and needs are more clearly identified, you would buy more of whatever you use most.
As nickao said, a pro will likely already know exactly what they want and need, and would/should get boatloads of just those…  Which sort of contradicts the idea of a general assortment.

 

[nickao]

No Cristal? That is the best paper as far as I am concerned.