Red Wine on White Oak Step

tiralie

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After I installed some unfinished floating oak steps, my clients husband tripped and dropped a bottle of red wine on them. I have not been back to the house, but my client put some baking soda on the spill and then whipped up some dish-washing liquid and put the suds on the stain which she said has removed a lot of the stain but I was wondering if there is any other way to remove red wine stains from the white oak.
Thanks
Tim

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Many years ago I used Oxalic Acid which is a wood bleach.  It seemed to work OK on some red oak flooring that had water damage.

Mike A.
 
Stain the steps with red wine so it matches when he drops the next bottle on them.
 
jacko9 said:
Stain the steps with red wine so it matches when he drops the next bottle on them.

LOL, you are probably too close to the truth about that...
Tim
 
New steps and client tripped, you have to ask why. Is it a design issue?
maybe a wine issue? 
Stair specs meet code?

Picture kind of looks like two stairs have replace one?
Good luck with the repair.
 
when I had to deal with some squeaking that occurred after I'd replaced some floorboards, I found a number of tools extremely helpful.
Selecting the correct, large tool - claw hammer, tugboat propeller wrench, axe, writ of habeus corpus - and waving it around in the air for a while worked fine.  Client soon stopped squeaking and paid up. If you're not worried about repeat work, it might be a useful addition to your armoury.

If that fails, blood spills will totally disguise any lingering wine stains.

More seriously, how big a problem would just leaving it be?
Your steps will not stay sawmill-fresh white for long unless you store them in the dark and use a uv-barrier water-based acrylic glaze of some sort. The beauty of wood is largely in the way it ages and picks up character and it's going to do that no matter what. The problem is if it does it unevenly.

Red wines, contain tannin, oak contains tannin - it's going to react with all sorts of stuff sooner or later whether liquid-borne or simply in the atmosphere. It's like an exposed but undeveloped film, imbued with a latent image which, once the proper chemicals are applied, becomes a real, physical image.

As time passes, a wine stain is going to fade, though unevenly at first but it may lay in wait to darken itself off again if it comes into contact with spilled pickles or if the client tries waxing the step with wire wool and detergent instead of soap. I'd say that it would be best to re-apply red wine to the whole step area, let it dry, wash it off again and THEN embark on any bleaching process. That way the wood will not be potentiated unevenly towards further darkening should another mishap come tripping along.

Just musing. Others may have better experience of these matters.

Carpet tiles? Deep-red lampshade?

 
I gotta think it'd just be cheaper to replace it with a fresh piece.  It's not like there's grain matching, carving or the like involved.  It's a few screws holding it in place. 

That and consider the problems over time.  What looks the same today might not look the same over time.  Stain will alter the color, as will whatever finish gets applied.  It's entirely possible you'd see the difference right away when the stain gets put on it and you compare it with the rest of the steps.  Otherwise there's the chance it'll take months/years to appear depending on how much sun it gets and other factors. 

Or you just replace the piece.
 
wkearney99 said:
I gotta think it'd just be cheaper to replace it with a fresh piece.  It's not like there's grain matching, carving or the like involved.  It's a few screws holding it in place. 

That and consider the problems over time.  What looks the same today might not look the same over time.  Stain will alter the color, as will whatever finish gets applied.  It's entirely possible you'd see the difference right away when the stain gets put on it and you compare it with the rest of the steps.  Otherwise there's the chance it'll take months/years to appear depending on how much sun it gets and other factors. 

Or you just replace the piece.

I agree but, if the homeowner likes those particular pieces of oak then warn them that the stain or shadows of it may re-appear in the future under the final finish.  Let them make the choice with the knowledge that there might be future unknown shadows if they don't want the board replaced.

You don't want to be called back multiple times to re-fix the stain.

Jack
 
mike_aa said:
Many years ago I used Oxalic Acid which is a wood bleach.  It seemed to work OK on some red oak flooring that had water damage.

Mike A.

Thanks Mike. I ordered some.
Seems that this "nanny state" I live in doesn't allow it to be sold locally, at least as far as I can tell.
Tim
 
Bob Wolfe said:
New steps and client tripped, you have to ask why. Is it a design issue?
Stair specs meet code?
It's a good question. Unless 7.25" riser on a 12" tread is an unusual design I don't think that's the issue. I think it was more mental/ or muscle memory from the previous rough construction steps which were all over the place in terms of height etc. I will post a separate thread of the design.
The bottom step is 8" but that is to leave room for tiling on the landing. It could've been a bit of a problem.
Bob Wolfe said:
Picture kind of looks like two stairs have replace one?
Nope it replaced a dogs breakfast site built 3 step contraption that had been there for at least the last 6 months while the renovation was being done.
Bob Wolfe said:
Good luck with the repair.
Thanks
Tim
 
wkearney99 said:
I gotta think it'd just be cheaper to replace it with a fresh piece.  It's not like there's grain matching, carving or the like involved.  It's a few screws holding it in place. 

Thanks, we'll see how the stain removal works and then go from there.

wkearney99 said:
That and consider the problems over time.  What looks the same today might not look the same over time.  Stain will alter the color, as will whatever finish gets applied.  It's entirely possible you'd see the difference right away when the stain gets put on it and you compare it with the rest of the steps.  Otherwise there's the chance it'll take months/years to appear depending on how much sun it gets and other factors. 
The sun does hit these stairs directly in the afternoon, but my experience has been that the sun tends to bleach out the color rather than bring it out, no?

The stairs are not getting stained but I do need to match the color of the floor which has a slight white or "soapy" colored clear coat.
If anyone has any suggestions on what the best clear coating to achieve that affect or look would be...
Tim
 
Peter Halle said:
Try hydrogren peroxide.

PEter

Peter:
Thanks, that will be my next approach while I wait for my Oxclic acid to arrive. I will probably try with some over the counter stuff and then move to a more industrial grade if that doesn't do anything.
Tim
 
[member=7816]Tim Raleigh[/member]
I like the floating treads. Is the metal tread support item a commercial product or did you fab it?
 
"The stairs are not getting stained but I do need to match the color of the floor which has a slight white or "soapy" colored clear coat.
If anyone has any suggestions on what the best clear coating to achieve that affect or look would be...
Tim"

Cotton White Rubio Monocoat might the answer to get that effect. I just used it on an oak dining room table I built for a customer and it gives a very subtle whitening effect.

John
 
It might be too late but dry white wine. It was recommended to use white wine to take red wine stains out of a rug. Worth a try.
 
kcufstoidi said:
"The stairs are not getting stained but I do need to match the color of the floor which has a slight white or "soapy" colored clear coat.
If anyone has any suggestions on what the best clear coating to achieve that affect or look would be...
Tim"

Cotton White Rubio Monocoat might the answer to get that effect. I just used it on an oak dining room table I built for a customer and it gives a very subtle whitening effect.

John

Bona Natural water-based urethane. It give an  unfinished feel and dull look and is super durable.
 

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White wine works well in removing stains from carpeting & fabric, not too sure how well it works on wood. Worth a try though...
 
TheTrooper said:
Bona Natural water-based urethane. It give an  unfinished feel and dull look and is super durable.

Thanks, and thanks for your photo. It matches the look of my clients floor exactly.
Much appreciated.

Tim
 
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