RTS Engineering 8-Foot Articulated Boom Arm

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This is a great product, and if there is ever a European vendor, I will certainly buy the 8-foot version.

Why is the vacuum path in the top pipe instead of the bottom pipe?  It appears from the drawings and photos that the elbows could interfere with the cables and hoses entering and exiting from the bottom pipe.
 
Rick Christopherson said:
Alan m said:
any updates

I didn't realize anyone was expecting updates (aside from those with orders). Everything has been finalized for several weeks. I did have to figure out how to ship these things, but I got that worked out last week. The first orders should have shipped 2 days ago, but I got hit with a hard deadline on another project. They will be shipping on Monday (for those of you that already ordered).

There's a lull in the work flow at my welding shop, so they are tacking a few extra boom arms beforehand. So if you're interested in an RM-100 or RM-120, place your order now to get them.

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sorry. im just interested in these things. if these were in europe i would buy one. i have planned to build one for years but never settled on something i could stand over (or under in this case) with 100% confidence
i would like to see some in place in peoples shops  and hear back how wonderfull they are
 
[member=191]Rick Christopherson[/member], I’m would like to know how wide is the mounting plate?
Thanks
Rick
 
RJNeal said:
[member=191]Rick Christopherson[/member], I’m would like to know how wide is the mounting plate?
Thanks
Rick
The mounting plate is approximately 6 inches wide by 14 inches tall. If you need to be more detailed, the attached drawing shows the dimensions and hole positions.
 

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Thanks Rick. Perfect. In my new shop I have a 12” long wall holding up the beams that I installed to remove a load bearing wall. I’ll beef up and block out to support this arm. That way it could swing 270 *
In coming order.
Rick.
 
RJNeal said:
Thanks Rick. Perfect. In my new shop I have a 12” long wall holding up the beams that I installed to remove a load bearing wall. I’ll beef up and block out to support this arm. That way it could swing 270 *
In coming order.
Rick.

Rick,
Why don't you send me a picture of your wall area. I'll take a look at your mounting needs. At the same time, I may need to modify the pivots on my wall mounting bracket to give you the additional rotation that you desire. I'll PM you with my email address in case you need that.
 
Will do. When I get back down to the shop. Today’s the boss has me scheduled as the doggie taxi driver.
I realize that the standard mount won’t swing the full way. But the area past the 180 is what a concider a bonus area and it has a roll up door. Thanks
Film at eleven
Rick
 
I would like to provide feedback regarding my recent experience attempting to purchase this product as followup to my initial report:
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/...arm-from-rts-engineering-initial-impressions/

This is not a "personal dispute" and there is nothing to resolve offline.  I am a customer, Festool owner,  and contributing member of the FOG, and RTS Engineering is a retailer.  There is a recent thread titled "Festool Customer Service Sucks".  That is really not my posting style, but many threads are on this forum regarding Festool and other products that discuss customer support, product defect, and customer satisfaction issues.  I would like to think that when I buy a product then respectfully provide such feedback,  I will not be attacked personally by the manufacturer complete with name calling.  Actually, I do not mind the name calling as long as I then have the opportunity to back what I say with supporting documentation.

Anyhow, the return shipment of the Prometheus from UPS arrived yesterday afternoon.  At the time, I was in the shop making a box-crate for the Festool boom arm that I took down back in late March.  It just sold on ebay.

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I was very much looking forward to this arrival given the difficulties and delays and the fact that it had been a little over a month since the defective boom arm first arrived and several weeks since I returned it for repair.  Instead of unloading the box, the driver had me come to the truck to see the box and let me know he needed to return it.  This is what I was shown:

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I contacted the manufacturer, provided the pictures, and I suggested that it seemed that the box was again not really well constructed.  The feedback I received was that the box was purely cosmetic, and the internal framing was even stronger than the crate I made entirely with 3/4 inch thick plywood (at my expense) to return the boom arm after it first arrived then developed a sag shortly after it was mounted before it could be used.  I was told the end caps locked it in position so well that the caliber of the damage was indicative of the box falling off the truck at highway speed.  This was all based on the pictures I sent.  My own opinion is that perhaps the box fell apart, at least in part, because it was made out of 2 very flimsy cardboard boxes taped together and it was very poorly boxed again. My own opinion is that if this boom arm were both well-constructed and boxed better, I would not have needed to use a Dremel before I could mount it and it may have not then developed a sag.  My own opinion is that if this time if it were boxed better, it may have been fine, and I would now have a boom arm.  Maybe the boom arm was Ok and it was just the box that fell apart, but I did not get the chance to find out.  It is an interesting subject, because woodworking involves a lot of making boxes, and I can always learn more about what makes a box strong.  Maybe some of you have input.  It is all in the pictures.  No "he said"

Anyhow, it was another disappointment.  I was informed that I could not get a replacement sent until the middle of next week at the earliest if I were to accept a certain modification due to a material inventory limitation.  I was agreeable to that.  I was told that a certain ship date could not be promises, and I preferred hearing that over the last time when I was told it would ship a certain day and it did not and that kept happening for over a week.  The deal breaker was that I asked if it could be sent 2nd day.  I was told no.  UPS ground.  It had been over 6 weeks since I paid $1,599.  I feel that since the first boom arm was defective for whatever reason (but not my fault as I did not drop it), there was a 1 week delay in shipping the repaired boom arm where I then had to wait 10 days for the shipping (UPS ground is slow these days) and now I was going to have to wait further,  I thought 2nd day shipping was the least RTS Engineering could do to make it right.  Anyhow, I asked for a refund and was told my money would be refunded.  Therefore, there is no dispute.  I think this has been the worst customer service experience of my life.  I have no boom arm, a mounting bracket ready to go for a boom arm I do not have, and am out so much time. 
 

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Sounds like a lose-lose outcome for both parties. :(

Question: Given that you have built sturdy boxes for the product return and eBay sale, could you, if you have the time, design and fabricate your own boom arm box or system (with some kind of support from the ceiling) that suits your needs?
 
I cant comment on the previous discussins  due to not having all the facts
but going by the way that was shipped  its a disgrace. totally inadequate  packaging . made even worse  by not reusing the box you made for it.

shocking is the only word
 
I just can’t wrap my head around why such a nice designed piece of equipment like this, and it doesn’t look light weight, would be shipped cross country in cardboard! The second shipping mishap sure didn’t help things..and yes, from a CS standpoint...handled very badly..I’d want to make this right if I was selling it.
 
Alan m said:
but going by the way that was shipped  its a disgrace. totally inadequate  packaging . made even worse  by not reusing the box you made for it.

Is this the box I was supposed to reuse? He lied to you all when he bragged about how great of a box it was. Moreover, a crate is not the appropriate manner to ship everything. The boom arm was free-floating inside his crate. My return shipment had the boom arm fully constrained. Look at his pictures (of the box on the UPS truck)....the wooden caps that locked the boom arm into position have been shattered! The end cap was made with major overkill. There's 30 screws holding that end cap together.

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Hey, there's no disputing that UPS screwed this up big time. But this wasn't simply rough handling or dropping a package. UPS hasn't said what happened, but the damage is severe enough that either the box fell off a moving truck, or the truck was involved in a serious accident.

The only truthful thing in his story is that the shipment got damaged by UPS. Everything else he has stated is such an egregious lie that I'm am shaking while typing this. Never in my life have I encountered a human being as deceitful as            has been.
 

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Here's an example of just how pervasive his lies are. I found out about the damaged shipment Thursday at about midnight. Before even contacting him, I had already begun to make plans and take stock for fabricating a replacement boom arm. My welder wasn't available on Friday due to Covid, but I already had confirmation from him to be available for fabrication first thing Monday morning.

The only problem is that I had just ordered some aluminum bar stock earlier in the day (Thursday), and we wouldn't get it until Tuesday. So I sent            the following message at 12:30 am (just past midnight central-time on Thursday).          is on Pacific time and we had already emailed once or twice already.:

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Just giving you a status update so there are no surprises for you. I am rushing this through as quickly as I can. I have all components necessary to build an RM-120 on-hand, with 2 exceptions. The first is trivial, as it is just the vinyl transfer logo, and that should be short turnaround when the printer returns on Monday.

The second is more critical, but I have an alternative solution for your approval. I had already ordered the raw aluminum stock for the side plates (2" x 1/8" bar stock) on Thursday, but it won't be available for pickup until Tuesday. I do already have some of this material on-hand, but it has already been cut-to-length for a shorter boom arm. I could weld an RM-120 boom arm with these plates on Monday, but it would require seaming them for the proper length. That non-critical seam would then be ground flush to be near-invisible, but I want to make sure that you make that decision for your self.

In light of your rush, do you approve of that method, or do you want to wait until the regular stock is replenished?

But in return, this is the statement he made to this forum...Do you see what I've been dealing with?
martin felder said:
I was informed that I could not get a replacement sent until the middle of next week at the earliest if I were to accept a certain modification due to a material inventory limitation. 
 
To be clear, I mentioned RTS Engineering instead of the name of the owner as to not appear to be attacking an individual personally, although I understand people know who owns the company.  I see my full name is being used on purpose, which does not seem to be appropriate for a business when responding on a forum to a customer service posting. 

I never said that my box was "great".  I did take some pride in trying to do a good job, but I am not a master craftsman.  This is a hobby for me.  I am not in the business of selling items or crates. In fact, I said I can always learn more about making boxes.    I was told it was my responsibility to return the item on the first go around, and the UPS Store did not have a large enough box.  Therefore I did my best.  I do not mind getting feedback on how to do things better.  I welcome advice.  After seeing my box for the first time, perhaps I could have made a frame like for the one I just sold on ebay and used 1 x 1 3/4 oak with dominos surrounded by 3/4 plywood.  Please understand, I am the purchaser, not the seller!  My job was to pay for the item.

So, now I am being called a liar because I bragged about how great of a box I made, and I lied because it was not so great!  Really?  And now, my lies are pervasive because when I found out he did not have another boom arm in inventory,  I agreed to have some substitution.  I have no idea what that is about.  I am not denying that he was willing to make another one.  What I said was the deal breaker was after all that transpired, I did not want to wait another 10 days on UPS ground.  He did not want to ship 2nd day, his choice, I then decided to end the process.  My choice.  I do not think anyone is lying.  Perhaps the aggressive attack is a way to shift focus.

It seems like the feedback from others is that it should have been boxed better.  No one is saying how this was well packaged.  If I were a retailer and was getting this feedback instead of attacking the customer and saying the only truthful thing was that the cardboard box was damaged by UPS, I would thank the forum members for the feedback, and change how I shipped things. 
 
martin felder said:
And now, my lies are pervasive because when I found out he did not have another boom arm in inventory,  I agreed to have some substitution.  I have no idea what that is about. 

Do you want to try the lies again,        ? You had no idea that they were custom built? Really? That was already discussed back when you originally placed the order and asked for it to be a rush-job.

More importantly, it was the very first thing I said to you Thursday night when I learned about the damage.
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I just got home, and I am speechless. Did they give you any idea how this happened? That's not just an "oops, we dropped it." That's an Oops, we dropped it off a bridge and then ran it over 5 times for good measure." What the heck did they do to it?

I'll get you a replacement as soon as I can. Keep in mind that these are custom built, and a new one will have to be made from scratch. I will try, but I doubt I will be able to get a new one welded up by close of the day tomorrow. There's a couple things I need to look into first thing in the morning to determine how quickly I can get one welded.
 
On another note.
I have 12’ tall ceilings in my shop. What would an ideal height to mount this?
Anyone have any input.
Rick
 
That's it.  This thread is in the toilet.  It is now locked.  There have been edits in previous posts to eliminate names that did not correspond to screen names.

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