Screws vs nails

[hockey_magnet]

Gee, intentional murder rate/100,000 population - USA = 4.8, Ireland 1.25, Canada 1.62 - Sure, more guns = safer country  ???

 

[Deansocial]

i just looked it up as usa 5.2 uk 1.57

 

[jmbfestool]

youd be amazed at the distance you can fire one of those nails and at how acuurate you can be.

its amazing that in this couyntry you need a gun licence for a gun but not for a paslode. and a paslode can out fire a shotgun

I have to ask from an American perspective, in America handgun permits are easier to get and many Americans do get them. As the number of permits go up, violent crime goes down.  Over in the UK and Europe.... you don't allow guns to citizens. and violent crime is now at record highs......   Hey even Sherlock had Watson bring his revolver to most cases...LOL..

When I lived in Ireland (after 9/11) for a year.... lets just say ....  chemical reactions to move small metal objects kept me safe and stopped bad things from happening... 

Really what is the issue with firearms in the Europe .... after living in Ireland, UK and Europe... I won't go without security... of some sort.

Your crime is out of control and your Garda/police... just is not stopping crime... Do any of you really feel safe over there now?

Cheers,
Steve

Political...

I dont believe guns make a safer place like your suggesting and im glad europe don't allow guns for every tom dick and harry I would hate knowing people have a gun and could just flip one day cus for some reason lets say a marriage break up.  The reason why we have more crime in Europe is due to imig....... and due to EU...........soft........human rights..... and many other reason...............  To political to talk about really and posts will be deleted no doubt.

JMB

 

[hockey_magnet]

Yes, I think it depends where you look, either way, The U.S. has much higher rates than many other countries.  The list for 2010 that I looked at indicated the U.S. was in 19th place.

I completely agree that many other socio political factors are at work and it irritates me when some Americans seem to think that more guns = less crime. I know a lot of Americans and most of them - the ones I know - don't really think that way even if they believe they have the constitutional right to possess a firearm.

Yes, obviously, we're way off topic though. I just wanted to address the statement that more guns = less crime - don't want to turn this into some nationality based argument. Americans are some of my best friends.

i just looked it up as usa 5.2 uk 1.57

 

[neth27]

youd be amazed at the distance you can fire one of those nails and at how acuurate you can be.

its amazing that in this couyntry you need a gun licence for a gun but not for a paslode. and a paslode can out fire a shotgun

I have to ask from an American perspective, in America handgun permits are easier to get and many Americans do get them. As the number of permits go up, violent crime goes down.  Over in the UK and Europe.... you don't allow guns to citizens. and violent crime is now at record highs......   Hey even Sherlock had Watson bring his revolver to most cases...LOL..

When I lived in Ireland (after 9/11) for a year.... lets just say ....  chemical reactions to move small metal objects kept me safe and stopped bad things from happening... 

Really what is the issue with firearms in the Europe .... after living in Ireland, UK and Europe... I won't go without security... of some sort.

Your crime is out of control and your Garda/police... just is not stopping crime... Do any of you really feel safe over there now?

Cheers,
Steve

Political...

I dont believe guns make a safer place like your suggesting and im glad europe don't allow guns for every tom dick and harry I would hate knowing people have a gun and could just flip one day cus for some reason lets say a marriage break up.  The reason why we have more crime in Europe is due to imig....... and due to EU...........soft........human rights..... and many other reason...............   To political to talk about really and posts will be deleted no doubt.

JMB

One time i agree with you  [big grin]

 

[Deansocial]

i agree too jmb with everything you part said [big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

Of course you agree with me I always make sence  [tongue]

Well I know I rather be in a situation with a guy who is trying to kill me with a knife than a guy with a gun cus I know I would be screwed then! or nailed??

 

[neth27]

An old school friend of mine (female) went to university in the states (Washington) she got shot........

John

 

[andvari]

Yes, I think it depends where you look, either way, The U.S. has much higher rates than many other countries.  The list for 2010 that I looked at indicated the U.S. was in 19th place.

For murders only. For other types of crime the US is pretty comparable or less than other developed nations.

 

[JeromeM]

An old school friend of mine (female) went to university in the states (Washington) she got shot........

John

A very interesting read is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Self-protection  there you will find that almost all the reasons given by those in the US to have a gun are false

The only reason that isn't is the sence of security people have with gun possession (though you will see that the actual security is false).
Another interesting read is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Showing that the US is in 5th place beaten by Guatemala, Thailand, Columbia, and South Africa.
England and Wales are almost last.

The US has 101 times as many gun homicides as England and Wales. However in 1994 it was only 34% higher than Northern Ireland (the only part of the UK to have common gun ownership)

To link this to the main topic, a paslode would make little difference IMNSHO  :

 

[JeromeM]

Yes, I think it depends where you look, either way, The U.S. has much higher rates than many other countries.  The list for 2010 that I looked at indicated the U.S. was in 19th place.

For murders only. For other types of crime the US is pretty comparable or less than other developed nations.

In fact it seems virtually impossible to compair "crime" in general. This is due to the fact that no 2 countries record or report in the same way http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_statistics so almost all lists of general crime will be incorrect except as a gross generalisation of orders of magnitude.

With specific (gun) crime there is a better chance but even that will have different reporting standards and laws.
With (gun) homicides the chance of accurate comparason is better again but even there different reporting standards or political expediency make life difficult for those who need exactitude. 

 

[andvari]

Yes, I think it depends where you look, either way, The U.S. has much higher rates than many other countries.  The list for 2010 that I looked at indicated the U.S. was in 19th place.

For murders only. For other types of crime the US is pretty comparable or less than other developed nations.

In fact it seems virtually impossible to compair "crime" in general. This is due to the fact that no 2 countries record or report in the same way http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_statistics so almost all lists of general crime will be incorrect except as a gross generalisation of orders of magnitude.

With specific (gun) crime there is a better chance but even that will have different reporting standards and laws.
With (gun) homicides the chance of accurate comparason is better again but even there different reporting standards or political expediency make life difficult for those who need exactitude.  

That is especially true when trying to compare developed and undeveloped nations. Not so much when comparing developed nations where there are international cooperative relationships in place that tend to standardize things.

This site:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

Makes available generic crime statistics collected by UNDOC, one of the organizations referred to by the Wikipedia article that is pretty scrupulous about doing validation checks on the data. These are total number reported to UNDOC; to get rates divide by the populations of the countries involved. If you are comparing two developed countries and the rates are within a factor of 2-3 they are within the margin of error of this data.

 

[semenza]

Lets not let this get too far with the crime / gun debate guys. I have better things to do on Christmas Eve than delete posts and start PMing everyone. As I am sure Shane and Peter do as well.

Seth

 

[paul_david_thomas]

When I do use screws, I've learn to buy the more expensive screws. When I use my gun (paslode) I did try the cheaper RAW nails, just didn't get on with them. They tended to block in the gun heaps !. I don't tend to use nails at all any more, but I do from time to time need the odd 4" nails.