Second hand vacuum pumps - specifically busch hanning electro-worke.

[Crispy]

I'm looking at going down the same path a the festool equipment for my vacuum clamping setup, so trying to get a oil free vacuum pump from Busch.

SECO SV 1003 D. Part Number 1261146335

New in Australia delivered, filter, no vacuum gauge, "ready out of the box" $1800

From doscornio ( no model given) delivered, ready to go, filter, vacuum gauge, a nice stand etc around $2100 - if the shipping is 500euro.
It will cost about the same to get all the parts I want from festool spares in Australia, once they are all of backorder.

I have found a few on eBay, 1 is built 2019, "tested, working" delivered to aus $440ish.

I guess what I'm trying to debate with myself, is it worth going for the cheap eBay version, and accepting I may need to rebuild it but coming out infront, or spend around almost 5x that much for a new unit.

The other difference is in the type model.
Festool seems to end 045, the one I've found ends in 046, but looks identical in size and spec.

Hoping someone with more knowledge has gone this path already, and it's not an issue.....

 

[Cheese]

Are you looking for the supplier of Festool's vacuum pump? If so here are some photos I took of the inside.

 

[Crispy]

Thanks cheese, I've been looking for and saving as many pics so can from FOG, to try and work out what I'm doing.
I ended up pulling the trigger last night on the eBay seco sv 1003 D pump I was looking at.
At $450aud delivered, that leaves quite a bit of wiggle room for a service if it needs it, and parts from festool like a check valve and a vacuum gauge, etc before I hit the 2k cost of a brand new one.
Will find out in about 2 weeks whether I stuffed up

 

[Crispy]

Ok, so now im onto fittings and hose sizes.........
All of the threads ive found end up mentioning milton fittings, ive found some on amazon, a 14 piece red milton coupler and plug kit set for 20bucks...... could work, .

The official festool items seem to be around 190 aud for the quick connects, and the male fittings around 87 aud.

Are the airline fittings the same - like could i use parts from the IAS2/3 etc for the vacuum clamp/pump setup
I can get a double adapter which is now under 1/2 price on clearance, with 2 QC fittings, like below, will these work for vacuum clamping, then i would need to work out the air line size after.

 

[luvmytoolz]

Looks to be a standard fitting, same as some pneumatic equipment I've bought previously. Can't quite remember the type name though, Milton?

 

[Crispy]

Milton is what pops up in almost all the vac sys threads.
The top of the y looks like a milton.
A different pic in another FOG thread shows the brand prevost, of which there is a company which sells them in OZ.
Those fittings are between 50 adn 75 each, much MUCH cheaper than the grey and green.
But, the only indication they take Milton fittings is the pic,

 

[luvmytoolz]

Same?

Milton S307MKIT ColorFit Coupler & Plug Kit - (M-Style, Red) - 1/4" NPT, 7-Piece

Buy Milton S307MKIT ColorFit Coupler & Plug Kit - (M-Style, Red) - 1/4" NPT, 7-Piece with an everyday low price and fast shipping! JB Tools

au.jbtools.com

 

[Crispy]

Same?

Milton S307MKIT ColorFit Coupler & Plug Kit - (M-Style, Red) - 1/4" NPT, 7-Piece

Buy Milton S307MKIT ColorFit Coupler & Plug Kit - (M-Style, Red) - 1/4" NPT, 7-Piece with an everyday low price and fast shipping! JB Tools

au.jbtools.com

Yep, the exact same thing, but half the amount.

https://www.amazon.com.au/ColorFit-...lton+coupler+and+plug+kit+set+,aps,296&sr=8-1

WIll probably order this when i get home tomorrow or monday, as the vac pad setup is all push release, which im not too keen on, from what ive read.

 

[luvmytoolz]

The au in the domain was a bit sly, they're actually in the States, but if you're not in a tearing rush Temu has them:

https://www.temu.com/ul/kuiper/un9.html?subj=goods-un&_bg_fs=1&_p_jump_id=894&_x_vst_scene=adg&goods_id=601099556263549

 

[Crispy]

I found some awesomely cheap festo connectors, was pretty keen, till i checked the freight cost.....
Jb tools was exactly the same cost, in USD.

Id have to work out exactly what size hose i want, and what connectors and get them all in one go, if i was to go this way.

 

[luvmytoolz]

Pretty sure you'll likely find all the same connectors on Temu!

 

[Cheese]

Others have used the Prevost QD connectors successfully and they are much cheaper than the Festool variety. Here are some photos of the different plug connections that mate with the factory Festool QD connector.
1. Festool steel and Husky HF aluminum, HF is for high flow
2. Milton brass HF
3. Husky aluminum HF
4. Milton aluminum HF
5. Prevost steel HF

 

[Crispy]

Pretty sure you'll likely find all the same connectors on Temu!

You are correct, and i did, but after a conversation with my dad a couple of years ago, i try to find alternatives to Chinese made and sold items if i can, and yes it becomes a little expensive sometimes.
But as he told me you cant whinge about stuff if you dont try to change.
Hence i went from Hilti to festool ( hilti used to be made europe, now its all made ' professionally in china' , the same with milwaukee, ( i own all 3, some of the hilti items are over 10yrs old) but try not to buy all my stuff that way.

I am pretty much going to go Prevost fittings, it will be expensive, but should last quite a while.

For anyone that reads this thread, if you have and have access to a vp pump in the systainer, can you please take a pic or 2 of the gauge housing from inside the systainer.
I want to setup the same system if i can, but have to recreate it all from spare parts, and want to see what it looks like and how difficult it will be to do it, before shopping and then sleeping on the couch for a week
OR if someone has a setup that is freeballing in the air with a check valve and guage in line, how it was done.

PS. I was able to collect my vacpad package today and have a little play, looks like they forgot to add the foot pedal to the box before sending it accross the world, but i will get that sorted out soon hopefully
Bonus the rail connectors for the ally extrusion also fits 40 series!

 

[Cheese]

I am pretty much going to go Prevost fittings, it will be expensive, but should last quite a while.

The Prevost connectors are nice and they're made in France...not China.

Be warned, a lot of the Vac Sys replacement parts from Festool are no longer available. Check to see what you need and then check availability.

 

[Crispy]

I had a chat today with a festool rep about this, they ended up telling me that if its online and has a 3 week delivery, its available.
I did screen shot this for future reference.....

I have my eye on the check valve, the filter, the vacuum gauge, gauge and switch and plug-it and air connection housing, the white washers, and possibly the foam it all sits in.
The prevost fittings can fill in the spaces between the items.

One of the things im not sure on is if i need the specific festool capacitor for the plug connection to the housing.

I havent started looking for 6mm ID reinforced hose yet, but im hoping i can find something locally, but going on how this hole adventure is proceding, probably not likely

 

[Cheese]

I havent started looking for 6mm ID reinforced hose yet, but im hoping i can find something locally, but going on how this hole adventure is proceding, probably not likely

Remember, that vacuum hose has a thicker wall and is reinforced to prevent it from collapsing from the negative pressure.

Those white washers are Festool p/n 2225 at around $2 each.
Festool used 2 different style vacuum hoses. The early version had more reinforcing loops but the loops were smaller in diameter vs the later larger reinforcing loop diameter.

 

[Crispy]

Ok, ive spent way too much time in the last 2 days trying to find vacuum compatible hose, and the fittings that i can get australia, time i could have spent doing many other things.

What size hose ID is everyone using for the vac sys or setups using the same pump?
What is the factory Festool size?

I am unsure what hose ID to get - 6mm, 9mm or 16mm.

Cheese, i ask this, as another photo you have posted in another thread here shows 9~mm ID of both hoses above, and your running an 8mm barb for the old and a 9mm for the new..
Google AI tells me its 16mm ID.
From what i can find including pictures on here and the interwebs, show that festool sold a 16mm hose x 5m hose, but i am not sure if the 16 is OD or ID.
If its OD, then the 9mm ID is what i want for my fittings, correct?
And next question, what size connectors do i get - 1/4 BSP, or 3/8 BSP connectors? does it make a difference?

I have found a couple of places that it 'seem' to have in stock the 495293 Vacuum hose D 16 x 5m VAC SYS - a spares places in the uk and a couple of US places.
IF this is actually true, even with 50GBP shipping, it would still be cheaper to buy 2 ( if they have 2 ) than to try to buy the same amount locally in OZ.
Locally in lengths of 300mm i can get stainless reinforced hose, but its all imperial 1/4 ( 6.35mm ID) 3/8, 1/2 and 1" with the metric measurements available.

I have about 200 tabs open currently, including multiple threads on here trying to work out what i want and or need.

 

[Cheese]

Some of the confusion lies in the fact that Festool sold 2 different vacuum hoses, an early version & a later version. These hoses also had different outside diameters and Festool offered barbed connections that had different size hose barb ends, an 8mm end & a 9mm end. The original hose was 469694 and the newer version was 495293. If you can actually still purchase the 495293 version, it comes with a Festool QD (quick disconnect) fitting so it's actually a bargain as the Festool QD fitting alone is $65.

Miscellaneous stuff:
1. The size of the BSP fitting to use is determined by what you're screwing the BSP fitting into. In the US the most common size would be the 1/4 (NPT) size.
2. Technically, BSP threads can be tapered or straight, however most of the time threads referred to simply as BSP are usually (but not always) straight threads. Straight threads need to seal against a flat gasket.
3. NPT threads seal on a taper and only need thread tape for an effective seal.
4. Festool used a combination of BSP & NPT connections on the Vac Sys.
5. BSP & NPT threads are not interchangeable because they have different thread geometries.

 

[Crispy]

Thanks cheese, I may just order the check valve and both connectors for it directly from festool rather than stuff around.

I emailed the spare parts ppl and asked about the hose.
They said it wasn't in stock ( no surprise there) might take 10-14 days to get from Germany and then it's 1-4 weeks shipping to me, so I ordered 2 lots (total of 10m) and 2 connectors.
I went with 2 lots as i don't know where everything will end up in my shed, and some spare.
Now to wait and see what happens, hopefully I get hoses rather then a refund.

My pump has finally left Denmark, so that should be here next week.

They just leaves connectors and festool spare parts to go.

 

[Crispy]

So i just found that i got refunded on saturday..... the hunt for hose continues :/
I would be super nice if sites removed stuff they couldnt get anymore.

About to laydown some dosh on festool spare parts catalog for when the pump arrives.

And my foot pedal from Kouros turned up today, pleasantly surprised for how heavy it was.
I thought it was going to be 3d printed like the rest of the vacpad setup.
Ran out to my shed to give it a go, its much easier using a foot pedal, rather than making sure the piece im working on is balanced when turning of the vacpump so it doesnt fall when turning it off.