Site that sells lots of patent-infringed tools added to notorious list

[ChuckM]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/u-s...t-alibaba-to-notorious-markets-list-1.5788991

 

[4nthony]

Hmmm, I guess they missed Banggood.

 

[simnick]

Yeah, did you see they are selling a Morty (woodpecker jig) knockoff for 1/20th the price with all the photos being from woodpecker's site?https://usa.banggood.com/Loose-Teno...-p-1929719.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search
vshttps://www.woodpeck.com/morty-loose-tenon-jig.html

 

[PaulMarcel]

Hmmm, I guess they missed Banggood.

That's probably the site behind all the "Woodpeckers but it isn't Woodpeckers" ads on Instagram. The corner radius routing template was half the ads I saw for a long time. At least they had to do a bit more work erasing the Woodpeckers logos from the original videos. The Morty knock-off link [member=71672]simnick[/member] posted didn't even do a good job of that with photos.

 

[mino]

Hmmm, I guess they missed Banggood.

Banggood is a store front (i.e. not a maker) which specializes in generic stuff with the patents either long expired or never filed to begin. No different from someone selling a "Bosch Domino" once the patents expire.

The notorious list - as far as I gather - is for businessed who generally refuse to take down patent-infringing stuff when notified.

Anyway, I do not like the stuff they list. Most is low quality and I would never get any measuring instrument from them. But just because someone makes a triangle that is also red and big does not make it illegal or fake or unfair. Not until they infringe on a patent, put on a fake branding or intentionally try to create an impression of "original" tool (think the Adibas sneakers). Which they generally do not do - as far as I saw. Triangles were use by the Ancient egyptians some 5000+ years ago ...

 

[rmhinden]

Yeah, did you see they are selling a Morty (woodpecker jig) knockoff for 1/20th the price with all the photos being from woodpecker's site?https://usa.banggood.com/Loose-Teno...-p-1929719.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search
vshttps://www.woodpeck.com/morty-loose-tenon-jig.html

If you look closely at the images on the "banggood" site, you can see where they photoshopped out the Woodpecker logos.    Maybe they should rename the site "notgood"  

You get what you pay for.

Bob

 

[ChuckM]

Game time!

Find the differences between these "identical" images!

One by LVT, which owns the rights to the photo, and the other.... (hint: see image file name  [tongue])

 

[mino]

If you look closely at the images on the "banggood" site, you can see where they photoshopped out the Woodpecker logos.    Maybe they should rename the site "notgood"  

You get what you pay for.

Bob

NICE!

Woodpeckers should sue them on copyright infringement of the photos right there. They are guaranteed to win. For this they can directly sue Banggood - if they do not take down the listing immediately.

 

[Packard]

I do wonder why the perfume market does not recognize patents like the tool market.  Apparently, knockoffs are legal as long as the name is not identical. 
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-05-09-fi-4180-story.html

Off-topic, I know.  But how are the Chinese to take intellectual property rights as a rule of law, if we ignore it for certain categories?

 

[4nthony]

But just because someone makes a triangle...

...clamping squares, precision squares, drilling guide, parallel guides, drill guide, loose tenon joinery jig, corner radius jig, cross-dowel jig, setup blocks, adjustable track square, pocket t-squares, corner plane, knuckle clamps,  rules, rule stops, hook stops...

...that is also red and big does not make it illegal or fake or unfair.

Fixed it for you

Banggood has knockoffs from pretty much everyone.

 

[ChuckM]

But just because someone makes a triangle...

...clamping squares, precision squares, drilling guide, parallel guides, drill guide, loose tenon joinery jig, corner radius jig, cross-dowel jig, setup blocks, adjustable track square, pocket t-squares, corner plane, knuckle clamps,  rules, rule stops, hook stops...
Snip.

The list made my head spin! [eek] [big grin]

 

[demographic]

Reading through this it seems Bangood has a good range of tools, I've not looked on there yet but you guys seem to be doing a good job of telling everyone that its selling cheaper tools.
Well done.

 

[4nthony]

Reading through this it seems Bangood has a good range of tools, I've not looked on there yet but you guys seem to be doing a good job of telling everyone that its selling cheaper tools.
Well done.

If you're inclined to buy cheap knockoffs, no amount of internet commenting is going to prevent that.

 

[ChuckM]

Banggood is nowhere near Aliexpress in terms of range of goods available, whether it's woodworking or anything else.

In fact, Google, not this forum or this thread, is a richer source of information on where to find cheaper goods. One can also easily find cheaper goods on Amazon, eBay, and many more online sites that may come from the SAME source where Banggood gets its goods.

 

[Rob Lee]

Hi -

By and large, companies can no longer play intellectual property whack-a-mole effectively. Frankly - it's consumers that have the power to reward or discourage behaviour.

Cheers -

Rob

 

[Vtshopdog]

In a similar vein, I had a friend that worked for Specialized Bicycle Co (equivalent to a Dewalt or Milwaukee in bike world). His full time position was solely  to track down counterfeit goods.  These ran the gamut from $5k carbon frames to $19 pumps.  Sometimes a factory they hired would make more than ordered and sell in gray market (higher end stuff) and other times a logo decal was slapped on some POS item. 
Crazy world....

 

[squall_line]

In a similar vein, I had a friend that worked for Specialized Bicycle Co (equivalent to a Dewalt or Milwaukee in bike world). His full time position was solely  to track down counterfeit goods.  These ran the gamut from $5k carbon frames to $19 pumps.  Sometimes a factory they hired would make more than ordered and sell in gray market (higher end stuff) and other times a logo decal was slapped on some POS item. 
Crazy world....

I once dated a woman who was an attorney at a firm with Coach (the soft goods company) as a client.  Part of her job was visiting stores to investigate counterfeit claims.  Some of the knock-offs were immediately obvious from ten feet away, others were almost impossible to discern even from up close.

See also: sunglasses, Rolex watches, etc.

 

[Packard]

I would note that there is a difference between a "replica" and a "forgery". 

For example, a replica Rolex, is not meant to fool the buyer; it is meant to allow the buyer to fool others into thinking he can afford a Rolex.

A "forgery" Rolex is meant to swindle the buyer into paying for the real thing and getting a fake. 

It seems that most of the stuff on that website is replicas.  So that the buyers are making the purchase with the fore knowledge that it is not the real thing.  It is hard to say who is more guilty:  The buyer or the seller.

 

[Bob D.]

Hi -

By and large, companies can no longer play intellectual property whack-a-mole effectively. Frankly - it's consumers that have the power to reward or discourage behaviour.

Cheers -

Rob

I agree that it is difficult and costly to defend IP. And as Rob said ultimately it falls on the consumer to 'do the right thing' or be part of the problem.

Doesn't seem much different than the drug trade. The dealers would not exist without a market in which to sell. I guess there are enough people bent on self-destruction that they continue to flourish. That cost all of us money in the end just as counterfeit goods do.

 

[Packard]

My Verizon home site (where I get my emails) routinely shows display adds for Banggood and Aliexpress plus other that make knockoffs of clothing.  Verizon (and others that carry their ads) deserve part of the blame.