Spare Parts

[PaulMarcel]

Just a PSA: if you have the original CXS and love it, maybe buy the replacement motor as you can't change out the brushes apparently. I already swapped mine once after driving, iirc, 300 3" screws into maple haha

While on ekat, I also ordered a set of replacement brushes for the RAS-115. I assume both of these things will become more difficult to get later. That RAS brushes are at least the same as some other active sanders so there's that.

 

[tjbnwi]

I have replaced to motors on 2 of my CXS’s, I have another that speed 1 grinds. I should tasks it apart and see what it needs.

Tom

 

[luvmytoolz]

Just a PSA: if you have the original CXS and love it, maybe buy the replacement motor as you can't change out the brushes apparently. I already swapped mine once after driving, iirc, 300 3" screws into maple haha

While on ekat, I also ordered a set of replacement brushes for the RAS-115. I assume both of these things will become more difficult to get later. That RAS brushes are at least the same as some other active sanders so there's that.

No way, 300 screws and you needed to replace the motor Paul?

I wouldn't consider that even close to what I'd expect out it's lifetime, that's definitely making me think twice about it now.

So far as obtaining brushes go down the track, there's plenty on Ali and Ebay for pretty much every model possible including the RAS 115: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/264496178598

 

[PaulMarcel]

Oh, no, it did hundreds perhaps thousands more than that. But the weekend when it started acting up, I had driven those 300 screws on a couple sets of stall bars.

For the RAS, the brushes from Festool were just $12. An easy-add to the CSX motor order

 

[luvmytoolz]

Oh, no, it did hundreds perhaps thousands more than that. But the weekend when it started acting up, I had driven those 300 screws on a couple sets of stall bars.

For the RAS, the brushes from Festool were just $12. An easy-add to the CSX motor order

Ok that's a relief! It's still on my radar then!

The brushes for the RAS are $90 here.

 

[mino]

Just a PSA: if you have the original CXS and love it, maybe buy the replacement motor as you can't change out the brushes apparently. I already swapped mine once after driving, iirc, 300 3" screws into maple haha

While on ekat, I also ordered a set of replacement brushes for the RAS-115. I assume both of these things will become more difficult to get later. That RAS brushes are at least the same as some other active sanders so there's that.

Just a point of record.

If you look at tools no longer supported, brushes are usually one of the few items still available even decades down the line.

The comment about them not available separately for the CXS is a valid one though.

Stuff you want to "stock on" are the gearings and any /custom/ bearings and bushings, basically the wear items which are impractical to manufacture down the line a decade later. Then the switches. Brushes are a standard component so they are not stocked-up-sold-until-run-out and instead are being continuously manufactured /for tools where they can be replaced/.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

By "original" do you mean the ones with the battery that went up into the handle? or just the original, before the updates?
I would guess that the motors were the only real difference, on those first ones?
I really like the CXS and really hope they keep supporting the batteries. I don't use mine intensely, it only does hardware type screws. Big ol deck screws get the Makita impact.

 

[onocoffee]

Stuff you want to "stock on" are the gearings and any /custom/ bearings and bushings, basically the wear items which are impractical to manufacture down the line a decade later. Then the switches. Brushes are a standard component so they are not stocked-up-sold-until-run-out and instead are being continuously manufactured /for tools where they can be replaced/.

Are there any specific gearing or bearings we should be considering ordering? I've got an old TXS 2,6 that works fine but it might be prudent to stock now.

 

[PaulMarcel]

By "original" do you mean the ones with the battery that went up into the handle? or just the original, before the updates?
I would guess that the motors were the only real difference, on those first ones?
I really like the CXS and really hope they keep supporting the batteries. I don't use mine intensely, it only does hardware type screws. Big ol deck screws get the Makita impact.

Yes, the original original in NA. I did search the motor part number and it is in three CXS assemblies, but not the newer CXS 12 so I assumed there'd be a time when it will be difficult or impossible to get. And the lack of RS-2e pads has me wondering if the 10 year/7 year guarantee is now a kinda soft guarantee

 

[Cheese]

Are there any specific gearing or bearings we should be considering ordering? I've got an old TXS 2,6 that works fine but it might be prudent to stock now.

From what i can see Paul has the best perspective on this situation. If you look at the parts list for the CXS, while all the parts are listed, there are only a few that are available separately while most of them are only sold in sub-assemblies. So, if you want to purchase Item 23: gear and Item 24: sun gear, they are only available if you purchase the sub-assembly Item 44 for $127.95. Financially, this model just doesn't work and it'd be better to just purchase a used CSX for those items. What does work is purchasing the brushless motor for $57.30.

 

[onocoffee]

From what i can see Paul has the best perspective on this situation. If you look at the parts list for the CXS, while all the parts are listed, there are only a few that are available separately while most of them are only sold in sub-assemblies. So, if you want to purchase Item 23: gear and Item 24: sun gear, they are only available if you purchase the sub-assembly Item 44 for $127.95. Financially, this model just doesn't work and it'd be better to just purchase a used CSX for those items. What does work is purchasing the brushless motor for $57.30.

I hear you - especially since I got my TXS used for $85.

 

[Cheese]

And the lack of RS-2e pads has me wondering if the 10 year/7 year guarantee is now a kinda soft guarantee

Ya that's always been an issue that chaffed my loins...because the 10 year parts availability guarantee has over the years become a very soft guarantee. As an example, I purchased an HL 850 from uncle Bob when he was still doing business and I also purchased the bench stand at the same time. Two years later I misplaced the "scale", that allowed you to dial in the amount of material you removed when the planer is mounted upside down in the bench stand. The "scale" is absolutely necessary if you're to use the HL 850 in the bench stand. Even at that early stage, the "scale" was suddenly no longer available from Festool as a replacement part.

Update: I just checked Ekat and there are now 5 items that are no longer available for the HL 850 planer stand...has it been 10 years?

 

[mino]

Ya that's always been an issue that chaffed my loins...because the 10 year parts availability guarantee has over the years become a very soft guarantee. As an example, I purchased an HL 850 from uncle Bob when he was still doing business and I also purchased the bench stand at the same time. Two years later I misplaced the "scale", that allowed you to dial in the amount of material you removed when the planer is mounted upside down in the bench stand. The "scale" is absolutely necessary if you're to use the HL 850 in the bench stand. Even at that early stage, the "scale" was suddenly no longer available from Festool as a replacement part.

Update: I just checked Ekat and there are now 5 items that are no longer available for the HL 850 planer stand...has it been 10 years?

The accessories are not a "tool" so they come and go as market /or regulations in case of the stand/ dictate.

As for the RS 2E pads, I would formally complain to FUSA. They are readily available in Europe.

 

[Cheese]

The accessories are not a "tool" so they come and go as market /or regulations in case of the stand/ dictate.

Thanks for that... ...that explains the reason I had to order the part from the UK.

 

[mino]

Thanks for that... ...that explains the reason I had to order the part from the UK.

Well, I referred to the stands no longer being made - they are illegal to sell /introduce to the market to be precise/ in the EU. The same cause as with the CMS.

This causes market to react - the more knowledgeable sellers/dealers purposely order excessive stock to sell on at a premium after some EU regulation comes to effect preventing Festool to make the item anymore. I do not believe this is as common in the US with more centralized arrangement FUSA operates there. It would see the dealers breaking the "agreed" margins by price-gouging like this I guess.

In Europe it is common to find discontinued old stock selling even 2-3 years after the discontinuance. Especially for stuff that is being banned.

 

[onocoffee]

Well, I referred to the stands no longer being made - they are illegal to sell /introduce to the market to be precise/ in the EU. The same cause as with the CMS.

This causes market to react - the more knowledgeable sellers/dealers purposely order excessive stock to sell on at a premium after some EU regulation comes to effect preventing Festool to make the item anymore. I do not believe this is as common in the US with more centralized arrangement FUSA operates there. It would see the dealers breaking the "agreed" margins by price-gouging like this I guess.

In Europe it is common to find discontinued old stock selling even 2-3 years after the discontinuance. Especially for stuff that is being banned.

Are the stands illegal in the EU because of some danger?

Here in the USA, while we have price uniformity across the dealers, if you're patient and willing to visit dealers, you can find some nice deals on old, discontinued stock at sometimes significantly reduced prices - like the 485018 WA-HL Angle Stop I found in October for $10.

 

[Cheese]

Are the stands illegal in the EU because of some danger?

I think it's the same issue as the CMS router tables, if the power is momentarily lost and is then reestablished, the planer starts up immediately because of the lack of a magnetic starting circuit.

 

[mino]

Are the stands illegal in the EU because of some danger?

Here in the USA, while we have price uniformity across the dealers, if you're patient and willing to visit dealers, you can find some nice deals on old, discontinued stock at sometimes significantly reduced prices - like the 485018 WA-HL Angle Stop I found in October for $10.

In Europe tools discontinued from makers like Festool are generally sold at a mark-up when there is no replacement due to legal or market reasons.

Scarcity drives prices .. it is a sure business for smaller dealers - they are guaranteed to find buyers at double to triple margins eventually ..

ADD:
OF course above is true only for exceptional tools well known to be of high utility. That pretty much covers the whole of Festool/TTS range though.

E.g. the discontinued Narex grinders were available in etail still about a year after being dropped ... at a €50 markup. And those are tools with no parts availability guarantee (the switches for them are N/A already).

 

[dicktill]

Just a PSA: if you have the original CXS and love it, maybe buy the replacement motor as you can't change out the brushes apparently. I already swapped mine once after driving, iirc, 300 3" screws into maple haha

While on ekat, I also ordered a set of replacement brushes for the RAS-115. I assume both of these things will become more difficult to get later. That RAS brushes are at least the same as some other active sanders so there's that.

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the PSA! Could I trouble you to post the replacement motor part number to save me the trouble of looking at the EKAT?

TIA, Dick

 

[PaulMarcel]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the PSA! Could I trouble you to post the replacement motor part number to save me the trouble of looking at the EKAT?

TIA, Dick

It would be better for you to type in your Tr number into EKAT since there are a number of Tr numbers for "original" CXS drills. Mine was when they were first released so the original original.

If you don't go through FestoolUsa to the EKAT site, it doesn't let you order online for *grumbles* poor cookie management.

So, visit https://www.festoolusa.com/service/repair-service/spare-parts and click through "to the spare parts catalogue".

On the EKAT page, click Search in the upper right corner. Type in your CXS's T number in the first box in the left column and 'Start Search'. It will show your specific CXS. Click that model (right arrow on right; you'll have to do this twice for some reason).

My CXS is 495635. Scroll down the parts list to 'Motor' (for me, 497615 in position 15 of the drawing). That gives you the part number to order. If you select the motor, hit the cart icon at the right side of that row to add-to-cart. Now you're set to click on 'Order' in the upper right corner to have it sent your way. Or, go find your RAS to get those OEM brushes for just $12.

Now, how to put it in the CXS?

You have your motor part number. Open a new tab/window and visit ekat.festool.de (yes, you were there, but you were there FROM FestoolUSA so it lets you order, but not see key documentation because -shrugs-)

Click Search and put in the part number then 'Start Search'. Click on the motor listed that goes with your CXS (see the number in the 'Found In' column). You will be sitting on the 'motor' line in the parts breakdown. The right column 'Document links' will be blank (is for me). UNcheck the motor and magically, 3 document links will appear in the right column. It includes a link called 'wiring diagram and routing' that gives step by step for replacing the motor.

-whew- German efficiency