time for my CT 22 to retire

HowardH

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After 10 years, it's time for a new CT.  It still works pretty well but the capacity is small and by no small measure there is a want a new one factor.  My decision is whether or not to get the 36 or 48.  With the 36, I can get the reusable bag.  I didn't see that as an option for the 48.  I understand the guts are the same, it's a capacity difference.  The price points between the two are negligible.  The bags are $10 each but I figure it would take a pretty good while to fill one up.  I do plan to connect my CMS to it so those chips tend to be pretty big by comparison.  Can you empty the bags to get more use out of them?  I haven't done that with the 22.  Any comments either way? Is bigger necessarily better?
 
I chose the CT36 and am very happy with it.  I will also admit that after filling the first few bags, I became a bag slitter and use binder clips and a thin strip of wood to reuse bags.  I currently have three uses on my last bag and it looks like I can still get a few more.  The larger unit was just a little too tall for my storage area and the bag in the 36 is plenty heavy enough to empty when full.
 
I just saw that thread after I made this post.  Definitely going to wait for the new ones unless it's going to be way out into the future.
 
As you said, as long as it isn't not way far out into the future (i.e. within 12 months to 18 months), my "plan" is to get a new CT26 and use it with a dust deputy (which I am using with my shop vac).

I am not concerned with the dust extractor size as long as 99% (?) of the dust goes into the dust deputy bin (which was my previous experience with the CT26).
 
[member=396]HowardH[/member] let me preface this by saying that I have a CT22 and have for a long while . Mine doesn't even have one of those fancy hose garages on it., which is fine by me. [wink]

I'm going to be a bit contrary  [eek] the new one while being all new and shiny isn't going to work significantly better than the one we currently have. It is after all a just a vacuum, all be it one that costs around $800 plus consumables. Consider adding a Dust deputy to your set up and then change those bags instead of the expensive Festool ones.

Take that money you had earmarked for the vac and buy another couple of tools that are considerably more sexy than a vacuum. A Domino perhaps, an ETS sander, an RS2 or two somethings.

Having said all that, I have always felt that the 20 series vacs were a good sweet spot. The 30 series always seemd too big and the 40 series feels like a boxcar. As mentioned I think a full CT22 bag is heavy enough.

Ron
 
rvieceli said:
[member=396]HowardH[/member]  the new one while being all new and shiny isn't going to work significantly better than the one we currently have. It is after all a just a vacuum,

Ron

This I agree with wholeheartedly...even though my desire for a new CT26 is pretty strong.
 
awww where's the fun in that?  :)  From a practical point of view, that's right.  However, as some wise man once said, "don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up!"  I currently use a DD cyclone into a 5 gallon bucket.  It works pretty well but I don't know how much loss of suction there is using this setup.  It's also a bit cumbersome with multiple hoses laying about that don't quite fit snuggly so I have to use duct tape to try to seal up the connections.  That's a big reason I'm considering upgrading to a much bigger unit. 
 
HowardH said:
I currently use a DD cyclone into a 5 gallon bucket.  It works pretty well but I don't know how much loss of suction there is using this setup.  It's also a bit cumbersome with multiple hoses laying about that don't quite fit snuggly so I have to use duct tape to try to seal up the connections.  That's a big reason I'm considering upgrading to a much bigger unit.

I use the DD and my Festool and other hoses fit snuggly. I had to trim a small amount off the DD's tapered inlet to allow some of the Festool hoses to slide on far enough to get a tight fit but that took seconds with a sharp knife. There is not a significant loss of suction with the DD and upgrading won't make any difference.
 
you guys are taking all the fun out of it!  ;D  I hate it when you guys are right...  Hmmm.  I do have 2 - 18 5.2 batteries that were given to me at the last two Roadshows that came through town and own nothing that current fit them...  Could be an opportunity.
 
I have 2 CTs , a 22 and a 26. The 22 I use only for my Kapex. The 26 with everything else including my CMS w the TS 75 insert that I dont have. I use it for my Makita planer but I vaccuum up the leavings with it and the same with my Jet 6 " jointer. I dont have any issues using them or empty the bags. I usually empty the bags on trash day when I also throw out my unusable scraps.
 
HowardH said:
After 10 years, it's time for a new CT.  It still works pretty well but the capacity is small and by no small measure there is a want a new one factor.  My decision is whether or not to get the 36 or 48.  With the 36, I can get the reusable bag.  I didn't see that as an option for the 48.  I understand the guts are the same, it's a capacity difference.  The price points between the two are negligible.  The bags are $10 each but I figure it would take a pretty good while to fill one up.  I do plan to connect my CMS to it so those chips tend to be pretty big by comparison.  Can you empty the bags to get more use out of them?  I haven't done that with the 22.  Any comments either way? Is bigger necessarily better?
rvieceli said:
[member=396]HowardH[/member] let me preface this by saying that I have a CT22 and have for a long while . Mine doesn't even have one of those fancy hose garages on it., which is fine by me. [wink]

I'm going to be a bit contrary  [eek] the new one while being all new and shiny isn't going to work significantly better than the one we currently have. It is after all a just a vacuum, all be it one that costs around $800 plus consumables. Consider adding a Dust deputy to your set up and then change those bags instead of the expensive Festool ones.

Take that money you had earmarked for the vac and buy another couple of tools that are considerably more sexy than a vacuum. A Domino perhaps, an ETS sander, an RS2 or two somethings.

Having said all that, I have always felt that the 20 series vacs were a good sweet spot. The 30 series always seemd too big and the 40 series feels like a boxcar. As mentioned I think a full CT22 bag is heavy enough.

Ron

Why buy a new one?  The new vacs aren't really any better.  In fact their sheer bulk & size makes them a whole lot less convenient than your old Kraenzle CT22 is.  If it's getting tired, replace the brushes ($12).  If it's getting wheezy then replace the motor/turbine unit with a brand new one ($50).  Remember that Festool, Kraenzle, Nilfisk, Stihl, Starmix, Mafell, Metabo, Eibenstock, Kress, Milwaukee, etc. etc. don't make their own motors:  Ametek do, so they'll (as original OEM suppliers) be significantly cheaper than a "branded" replacement part.  With a new moto or even just brushes, you've already got a "brand new" vac, as apart from the usual consumables of bags, filters & hoses you've just replaced the only moving?motive parts already!

As already mentioned by my astute colleagues, you'll also be saddling yourself with one of those silly, ridiculously bulky & notoriously fragile hose garages if you purchase a replacement machine.  I too bought one for my CT22 in a moment of temporary insanity.  It lasted a day, making the delightfully compact CT22 into a tall, unwieldy & (with extra systainers fitted) dangerously unstable top heavy behemoth!  It's yours free for the price of postage if you want it!

You mentioned inadequate capacity:  so buy an Ultimate Dust Deputy.  Yet, it makes it taller & potentially top-heavy when filled, but no more expensive bag replacements & greater capacity than any any Festo/ol owner could wish for in their wildest wet dreams.  You'd need to trade up to a Mafell S200 high capacity vac for more!

I personally think the CT22 was probably Festo/ol's best ever vac.  All parts, including those fantastic wet swarf/water buckets are still available.  Apart from the remote control capacity, replacement would otherwise be a backward step.  You'd be getting a big, fragile, unwieldy vac with little if any other tangible benefits for your money.

The price of a new Ametek or Domel motor, new "slippery" Electrolux-style hose, Ultimate Dust Deputy & aftermarket remote will run to less than half the replacement's price, so why would you bother?
 
[member=9481]aloysius[/member]

"I personally think the CT22 was probably Festo/ol's best ever vac."

I do to I bought mine used looks all worn out but runs like a champ
 
I sold my CT22 last year.  I was going to replace it with a CT26 but after seeing it in person I changed my mind.  The hose garage is just too fragile and the vac too big.  I ended up getting a CT Mini and use it in concert with an Ultimate Dust Deputy.  This is the best of both worlds in my opinion.  Nothing gets to the actual vac bag and I can vacuum up anything without fear of damaging the disposable bags.  If I suck something up on accident it's easy to retrieve.  If I need portability I just remove the UDD.  If it were me I'd keep the CT22 and purchase a UDD.  That CT22 is a solid machine.
 
Hi. Since the discussion is mostly about giving up or replacing a CT22, let say, I have a CT22, it works fine. But, I don't do as much woodworking as I used to. Now my CT22 resides in my living room where it takes up quite a bit of space. I also have a work bench in my living room doing the little woodworking I still do.

I was thinking of selling my CT22 and trading down to a lesser space taking Mini Mobile which I'd use with the Rikon bench top Model 10-305 band saw I was thinking of buying from Lee Valley.

Question~ Would the Mini Mobile dust collector be sufficient clearing sawdust from the band saw mentioned above with general use? Or, would I just be wasting money on a dust collector that wasn't as space saving as I'd like or sufficiently dust saving with the Rikon band saw I have in mind? Thanks
 
TheSergeant said:
I was going to replace it with a CT26 but after seeing it in person I changed my mind.  The hose garage is just too fragile and the vac too big.  I ended up getting a CT Mini and use it in concert with an Ultimate Dust Deputy.

With the Dust Deputy addition, aren't you getting into the realm of "big" again? Might be bigger in a different direction, but it's still big.
 
Upscale said:
With the Dust Deputy addition, aren't you getting into the realm of "big" again? Might be bigger in a different direction, but it's still big.
In my case, the use of the DD (I use the DD with a shop vac) means a taller not a bigger set-up, as the tight spot where my vac is now parked has overhead clearance, but not space.
 
Upscale said:
Would the Mini Mobile dust collector be sufficient clearing sawdust from the band saw mentioned above with general use?

The mini is 3 gal in container cap.; if you don't do sawing or resawing a lot or plan to replace the bag (2 gal)/clear the container often or use it with a dust deputy (the best solution in my view), it would work. I'd pick a MIDI or, most likely a CT26 instead. The difference between a mini and a CT26 is only a couple hundred bucks. When I sold my CT26, I got 85% back from my investment, after two or three years of use.

I suspect the demand for CT26s is stronger than for minis in the second hand market.
 
Really depends on what you use it for. And what the price difference is. The bags become cheaper per volume unit when going bigger. However... a CT36 with a full bag will be harder to pull up some stairs (ladder!?) than a CT26.

As someone who owns both a CT22 and CT26, let me remark this;

The CT26 doesn't have a blow-port like the CT22 does. I've used that to inflate a life raft that we put in the backyard as a swimming pool for the kids.

The CT26 is much less noisy than the CT22

On the CT22 the cord (if not unrolled all the way) is in the way of opening the VAC.

The hose garage isn't detachable on the CT26, so a CT22 can be much lower.

Both fit under a Precisio. Now try that with a CT36 or CT48...
 
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