Ultimate Oneida cyclone dust collector for Festool vacs

[Jaybolishes]

Are there any of you guys who have bought the black systainer  Ultimate Oneida dust collector which clips onto the festool vacs.  I have been searching a while and have found limited info on it.  What little info I found said the hose coming out of the top of the cyclone collapses because of there needing to be a rigid elbow to keep this from happening. Does the newer versions have this elbow? I see pictures on a site selling it showing pictures with and without the gray elbow, very weird.   It seems a nobrainer to buy the festool specific cyclone, but some input would be nice.  How happy are you with it?

Would the cyclone work also with the planex and ac36 while sanding drywall? I don't see why not, but hopefully someone here has first hand experience. How do you guys like the ultimate collector? Should I just buy the cheaper $89 version. Thanks

Jay

 

[morts10n]

I have the U.D.D. for my CTMidi and am totally happy with it. It came with the gray elbow. At full suction from the vac, it collapses only a tiny bit. ALL of the dust is captured and HEPA bag stays empty. It is clearly made for larger Ct vacs and has to be slightly modified to fit mini or midi, but you should be satisfied with its performance.  Guys on the jobsite ask what it is and I tell them that it makes cappuccinos and smoothies!!!! 
Good luck

 

[BJM9818]

I first bought the UDD after doing a ton of concrete work in my basement.  There were tons of dust/small chunks I needed to pick up but didn't want to use a broom and throw everything in the air.  I just hooked it to a regular shop vac and it worked great.  I have a Midi and have used it with that no problem. I now have the UDD on top of my new CT36 and in the past few months it has saved me about 3 bags so far.  At $250ish it's not cheap but I like the square footprint vs using a 5 gal bucket. 

I haven't noticed any real issues with the hose.  If you plan on keeping it in the same place a lot it's perfect.  If you intend to move it from job to job daily it might become a little bit of a pain because of its size.  Overall I think I made a great purchase.

 

[bwiele]

Does the work center attachment for the CT still work with the Dust Deputy attached?

 

[rmwarren]

I bought one at the same time I got the CT36, so I have never used the vacuum without it. I have never noticed the elbow collapsing.

Ditto to what morts10n stated, in 2 years of fairly heavy weekend use I still have the same bag in the CT36 and have no noticeable debris in it, I check it when emptying the UDD and it still seems empty. Likewise the HEPA filter it like-new and never had to clean it.

Probably the only downside is you can't stack Systainers on the CT. Not an issue for me, mine sits in a corner of the shop.

I think the $$ are totally worth it.  [2cents]

RMW  

 

[Jaybolishes]

Awesome, this thing sounds incredible. Almost too good to be true. $229 is cheap for these results IMO? I ordered it after the first response, can't wait.  Not many places selling it, not on amazon, not on eBay. 

 

[peter halle]

I have the Oneida Dust Deputy and love it.  I just bought the cheap one and since November it has paid for itself in the shop (professionsal) in saved bags.

I did Make an attachment that was quick and cheap that is in this thread:  http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/did-you-get-a-mft3-or-a-dust-deputy-for-christmas/

It is not perfect, but it has a real chance of paying for itself.

Peter

 

[Jaybolishes]

Great idea Peter! If I had of seen this before  I would never have gotten the ultimate.  The center of gravity is so low, I'd have no worries of tipping it over. Pulling it along by the hose is probably not a good idea any way.  Do you think the top of the deputy could withstand pulling it along with a planex? I'm thinking it's not a good idea.   But,  you can still utilize the top of the vac for a systainer.  Very clever!

 

[mikeneron]

Is there any reduction in suction power with the Ultimate Dust Deputy hooked up vs just using the vacuum by itself?  I have a CT22 and used to have a metal trash can with one of those Veritas lids and the suction difference was very noticeable, so now I just use the vac by itself.  I did like having something to catch all the big stuff especially when cleaning up large debris, but the loss in suction definitely was a pain.

 

[Stone Message]

I have the regular Dust Deputy ($35 - I think) and then made a drop box out of 3/4" MDF. The box has a light frame screwed to the bottom which clips onto the top of my CTL26. The top of the drop box is then at the same height (90 cms) as my other benches and MFT3. I used lock mitre joints on the MDF and the whole thing took just a couple of hours to make. After taking the picture I put some side handles and some clips to secure the lid on the drop box.

Peter

 

[mikeneron]

Kit Includes:
- Industrial Static Dissipative, 9 Gallon (34L) container
- Dust Bagger, plastic bag hold-down system. No messy dumping - allows easy removal of dust in plastic bags.
- Static dissipating cyclone separator
- 6 feet of static dissipating hose with static dissipating cuffs

From posts that I have read in the past, people could never get the bags from sucking up in the cyclone.  Is this any different now?

Hey Peter, I do like your solution, but are you able to use bags inside the box for easier emptying?  I just want to be able to tie the bag off and dispose of and not have to dump the box thus creating a dust storm in the process.

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Mike

When I made my drop box I knew that I might need to work out a solution that included the use of bags. The first time that I emptied the drop box I had a bit of a dust cloud and nearly implemented 'Plan B' but I waited. When I emptied the drop box the second time I opened out a plastic bag and allowed some air to go into it. I then put the top of the bag around the open end of the drop box and turned things upside down. The air in the bag stopped any suction effect and the dust quietly settled into the bag with no dust spill whatsoever.

So I have not implemented Plan B at all. I can describe Plan B if required.

Peter

 

[whitesys]

From posts that I have read in the past, people could never get the bags from sucking up in the cyclone.  Is this any different now?

Picked up an UDD this spring and they now have a small vacuum line that keeps the bag in the container.
Works well and I am glad that I got it.

Dave

 

[goforbroke442nd]

yes, the UDD has a plastic tube line that goes from the special joint used at the start of the festool vac to the side of the UDD box.  There is alittle valve at the UDD box where the tube connects to shut it off if you don't want to use a bag (i.e. cut off the equalization/suction).  The bag hasn't gotten sucked up the cyclone for me (note: I've only had mine for a few months).

One problem I did have was with the gray 50mm tube that came with the UDD:  it did get pulled down when connected from the vac to the top of the cyclone (was using the 2nd L joint to go from the input to the festool tube).  I found that the black end of the tube started to crack.  Called Oneida, and they shipped me a new one.  Although the 50mm tube can fit directly on the top of the cyclone, it might be better to add an adapter or get another l joint to reinforce the plastic on this tube.  I think the green festool 50mm are much stronger and probably wouldn't crack like the Oneida on did. 

I also added extra metallic tape on all joint connectors in the hopes of reducing any static buildup.  Seems to be ok.

 

[mikeneron]

I got my Ultimate Dust Deputy yesterday.  There was more assembly required than I would have thought.  You have to put a rubber gasket around the lid and it says in the manual "It is very important that there are no gaps in the gasket where the ends meet. Make sure they are butted together!"  Well the problem was that they didn't give me enough material and I had about a 1/4" gap when I was done.  I used some spray foam I had kicking around to fill the gap (see attached picture). 

You also have to put copper tape inside a couple of the hose fittings.  It came with enough to do 2 of the fittings, but if you want to use the optional 90 degree fitting for the top of the cyclone, you would have to get more tape.  I just feel that these 2 processes could have been done by Oneida as I found them to be somewhat of a hassle.

The rest of the assembly was pretty straight forward.  It involved installing the cyclone to the lid with some bolts and gasket as well as attaching the 2 rubber hold downs for the lid.  If you want to use bags inside the box, then you also have to run the little 1/4" tubing and also stuff a kind of sponge-like filter into the handle where the valve sits.

On my first run, I had just stuffed the bag inside the box.  Set the vacuum on low to start and when I set it up to high the bag got sucked up into the cyclone.  Great!  Well I took the lid off and pushed the bag down into the corners as well as made it sit flat against the side where that sponge-like filter sits (see attached picture) as that essentially is supposed to kind of hold the bag in place.  I didn't have anymore issues after I did that and once you get some debris in the bag it shouldn't be a problem anyways.

I did notice the 3 bags that were included have a square bottom.  I am hoping just to be able to use some heavy duty garbage bags in the future.  Has anyone had any issues with using bags other than the ones that came with the unit?

Still get a kick out of seeing stuff spin around in the cyclone  [big grin]

 

[rmwarren]

I got my Ultimate Dust Deputy yesterday.  There was more assembly required than I would have thought.  You have to put a rubber gasket around the lid and it says in the manual "It is very important that there are no gaps in the gasket where the ends meet. Make sure they are butted together!"  Well the problem was that they didn't give me enough material and I had about a 1/4" gap when I was done.  I used some spray foam I had kicking around to fill the gap (see attached picture). 

You also have to put copper tape inside a couple of the hose fittings.  It came with enough to do 2 of the fittings, but if you want to use the optional 90 degree fitting for the top of the cyclone, you would have to get more tape.  I just feel that these 2 processes could have been done by Oneida as I found them to be somewhat of a hassle.

The rest of the assembly was pretty straight forward.  It involved installing the cyclone to the lid with some bolts and gasket as well as attaching the 2 rubber hold downs for the lid.  If you want to use bags inside the box, then you also have to run the little 1/4" tubing and also stuff a kind of sponge-like filter into the handle where the valve sits.

On my first run, I had just stuffed the bag inside the box.  Set the vacuum on low to start and when I set it up to high the bag got sucked up into the cyclone.  Great!  Well I took the lid off and pushed the bag down into the corners as well as made it sit flat against the side where that sponge-like filter sits (see attached picture) as that essentially is supposed to kind of hold the bag in place.  I didn't have anymore issues after I did that and once you get some debris in the bag it shouldn't be a problem anyways.

I did notice the 3 bags that were included have a square bottom.  I am hoping just to be able to use some heavy duty garbage bags in the future.  Has anyone had any issues with using bags other than the ones that came with the unit?

Still get a kick out of seeing stuff spin around in the cyclone  [big grin]

I have been re-using one bag for over a year, I just gently remove it, place it into a regular garbage bag and empty it. With that said I would assume you could use a normal garbage bag instead.

I have to say, the UDD (with a CT36) really sucks...  [big grin]

RMW

 

[mikeneron]

Well the whole point for me is to be able to remove the lid and then tie the bag off and throw it away without creating a dust storm.  There is still going to be a bit of dust stuck to the bottom of the lid, but the cleanup there will be pretty minimal.

 

[morts10n]

One issue that I keep having:  the top cover for the cyclone came off the cyclone today for the THIRD time. I've used silicon for the last two fixes, but will try some other adhesive next time. Frustrating, but perhaps easily taken care of.

 

[Jaybolishes]

I've used this a lot thus far, and all I can say is buy this thing! No issues, just absolute enjoyment.  I've already used the three bags it came with and I'm using regular white trash bags stolen from under my kitchen sink.  It collects everything, even fine dust, and when I used it with my planex, it caught all the drywall dust too.  Man this thing is easy to replace the bags and I don't even have to bend over.  So happy with it, if you don't own it, get it, big money saver and time saver in the long run.  Setup was quick and easy for me, I am so pleased with it. 

 

[mikeneron]

Hey Jay, would you be able to find out the measurements on the bags you are using?  Should be on the front of the box.  I tried the Glad ForceFlex (white) and they were too small.