User feedback on SawStop Jobsite?

rmwarren

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I am now using my little DeWalt 745 more often since I can get to it without unloading half the shop. Why, just the other day I walked up to it with no advance warning, adjusted the fence, turned it on and cut a piece of wood!  [doh] You have no idea how big a deal this is to me.

After recently admitting that I (1) am not superhuman, (2) leak when punctured & (3) have a wife to answer to/support it seems to be time to take things a bit more seriously. After pondering the saw blade for a while, it seems just a matter of time before we get intimate.

To be very clear, I am considering buying the SS Jobsite and am specifically seeking personal experience/reviews from folks who have used the saw. Would prefer to avoid digressing about SawStop as a company, their tactics, etc. Thanks in advance.

So - the question is how do you like the saw? Accuracy? Dust collection? Power? Durability? Thoughts??? I don't need to move it, in fact wold buy it sans the stand if they sold it that way. I will end of making a 80/20 cart for it and wheeling it out onto the deck or using it where it sits in the shop.

Would appreciate any informed feedback that anyone can provide.

Thanks.

RMW
 
Never used one so I apologise that I don't meet one of your criteria. I also own a DW745 and think it's a great little saw to compliment the small fiddly things that are awkward with a track saw. I have an Incra mitre gauge and an upgrade blade and it makes a world of difference over the supplied blade and gauge.

I'm not against Sawstop and although not readily available in the UK, I think it's a good idea and would consider one if available and my Dewalt actually needed replacing. So my question is, why after I presume what is a fair number of years of table saw use not losing any digits, do you now fear getting "intimate" with the blade and feel the need to replace a perfectly functional machine you already own?
 
Just curious, but why buy a portable table saw if you don't plan on moving it? I own the Sawstop Industrial, but looked at the portable. It's nice, however there are compromises made to make the saw portable.
 
[member=60286]bobfog[/member] - I guess the reason is that I am just getting older, with more to lose and less of the conviction of invincibility held by the young and those drinking Tequila.

[member=15289]Birdhunter[/member] - 10' by 12' total shop space, cost ($1,300 versus $3K), and also a degree portability from the shop onto the deck. I just don't "need" a full-sized TS. I am looking for (1) safety & (2) an minor upgrade in performance over the 745.

Safety Third!

Thanks.

RMW

 
I've really like my Saw Stop Job site especially for ripping and cutting small pieces where the setup is painful with respect to a track saw.  Before the Saw Stop Job Site, I had a Dewalt 745 which seemed much louder in term of pitch plus had a smaller top although it did cut fine.  I do think the SS Job Site is a nicer saw compare to the Dewalt along with the safety features which was my primary reason for buying the saw especially since I'm a hobbyist and need ALL of my fingers for my day job..

Also I needed a saw that I could share the garage with multiple vehicles ... Its a must that all of my woodworking equipment can be rolled around and put back against the wall easily and quickly.  No regrets on buying a SS Job Site which I would buy again in heart beat ... especially with space limited workshops ...

I did look at the saw stop contractor and cabinet which I'm sure are great saws BUT unfortunately don't have the space ... Plus I enjoyed rolling my saw out in the yard on nice sunny days ....               
 
I have the upgraded DW 745.  I am only 39, but do get the same feeling of intimacy when using the saw. It is great for the occasional quick setting up and also when crosscutting and ripping multiple pieces.  I se up the DW for ne operation and the TS55/MFT for another cut.  Since  also expect to work outside, but cannot just roll the saw out of the shop, the DW is about all i want to handle a far a weight.  I probably will, when working outside use only the MT/TS55 and maybe some horse for seeing up sawing operations. If to for the fact I cannot just roll out onto a deck, as richard can do, i might have opted for the SS portable.
Tinker
 
Just purchased the ss Jobsite saw a couple weeks ago and limited use.  Unfortunately 2 months too late as I took off my index nail on my old Grizzly cabinet saw.  With new dust collection blade guard, dado cartridge set, 2 inserts, and a spare regular insert $1740.

Check out Ron Paulk's videos on the saw!
 
I'll spin you another option, please don't hang me up here guys.

I have the Mafell Erika 85 and added the sliding table. It's SMALL when folded up and can be moved around extremely easily. It's inherently safer than a cabinet style saw because of the sliding table and pull function of the blade (at the end of a rip cut on thin pieces you can pull the blade towards you to finish the cut).

You'd also save space and money because a miter saw is no longer a necessity except when doing crown molding.

The saw is expensive but it's worth every dime. I came from an industrial sized cabinet saw ( 5hp and 12" blade) and have no regrets. I've even stood 4x6 on the tall side and buried the blade in the wood for a rip without stalling the motor.

I've been in Brig doing a small bathroom job in Kings Cove if you want to play with the saw.
 
Richard

I think Ron Paulk did a review of the SS job site saw.  I have seen one at woodcraft and seemed that it was definitely a step up in construction than the dewalt, Bosch, rigid job site saws out there.
 
Richard,
have you had a first hand look at the new BOSCH flesh sensing saw for comparison?
I saw it demonstrated and explained at the JLC show in Providence a few weeks ago. You may want to compare. As shown price was $ 1,499.00
These saws will react to things which are conductive like green wood - that's based on the "deceased sawblade" and SS cartridge I saw displayed on a shop wall a couple of weeks ago.
I would also look at comparative ease of dust management between the two competitors.
Hans
 
Richard,

I have owned the Sawstop Jobsite saw since it was available March, 2015. I love it. Just some quick background - I needed a saw that I could move around my shop to get it out of the way. I tried to convert completely to using the TS55 for all saw operations, but ripping, especially of narrow pieces, was always a problem.

Here are specific answers to your questions -
  Accuracy? - As far as I'm concerned, it's extremely accurate. I did adjust the cursor on the rip fence slightly (although I'm not sure it was made to adjust) but, after that, it's accurate. I generally rip slightly wide and joint, but when I need it right on, it is. I find there is essentially no wobble in the motor's  shaft so the cut is exactly where you set it.
  Dust collection? - Very good, but not perfect. I understand that Sawstop now has a blade guard with a port on it which wasn't originally available, but I'm satisfied using the 4" port below with my cyclone collector. I don't find the collection with my CT to be as good, but that might improve with a blade guard connection.
  Power? - No problems for me. I've ripped 8/4 white oak with it with no slowdown, but I am a more deliberate woodworker anyway and don't do anything real fast. I felt the original Sawstop blade ripped more easily than the replacement Freud Fusion blade I now have (accidentally tripped the brake by hitting an aluminum miter fence I was using), but the Freud blade is a good all-around blade and the full kerf version meets Sawstop's specs for acceptable blades. The supplied Sawstop blade was actually great though.
  Durability? - I can't tell about durability, but I see no reason why it won't last me the rest of my life (but that isn't as long as some people might need it to last). It's a very sturdy saw though. The stand is solid.
  Thoughts??? -
    Table insert - I am on my 3rd zero clearance insert. Sawstop replaced the original and the second one because I could not get it acceptably level with the saw table. It is made of molded plastic and the original and replacement were deformed enough so that there was no way to get it completely level with the table on all sides. However, Sawstop Support sent a 3rd one which is essentially flat. He told me that he would look for one that tested flat before sending it and, while some would say it isn't perfectly level, I have taken a straight edge to this last one and it's as level as my eyes can see. It hasn't caused any problems when ripping. At a recent Woodworking Show, I know I saw a new version of the insert, made of some solid composite material, but Sawstop Service insists there is no other version available.
      Table Extension - The part of the table which extends is not exactly level with the main table and there doesn't seem to be anything that can be adjusted, but it has not caused any problems as far as accuracy, so I don't worry about it. There is a little play when it is extended.
      Table - The distance in front of the blade is a little bit short, but I'm sure that is typical of jobsite saws in general.
        Portability - I love being able to easily fold it up and move it out of the way. It allows me to free up space temporarily for other operations. I never take it out of my shop, but its movability is a great feature for me.
        Miter Gauge - The cheapest thing about the saw is the miter gauge, but I now use an Incra miter gauge and that works well.
        Riving Knife/Blade Guard - These are great. There is a separate riving knife and a riving knife/blade guard combo. The dust collection isn't great when using just the riving knife though, but that should probably be expected as there is no cover on the blade.
        Safety - I have never seriously injured myself on a table saw and I've been woodworking since the mid-70's. However, since I have owned the Sawstop, I just feel less stressed when using the saw (not inattentive before someone hones in on that as a drawback). Since I did trip the brake on an aluminum miter fence, I saw how quickly the saw reacted (even before I knew what happened) and that gives me peace of mind. Even though I've never hurt myself, I know it can happen and I have cut myself with other, less dangerous tools, so running my finger into the blade is always a possibility, no matter how safe I've been over the years. To me, that alone was almost worth it.

Overall, I'd say that it's a great saw. It does what I want it to, crosscutting, ripping, and even cutting up smaller sheets of plywood. It is a great supplement to my TS55/MFT3.

Hope this helps. 
 
grbmds,

I am not the OP, but I wanted to congratulate you on a well thought out and written post. Well done.

I have the Industrial Sawstop. My insert was dead flat from the onset. It is a composit material. I wonder if Sawstop has adapted the high end saw's insert to use on the portable saw.

I triggered the safety using a tenoning jig. The saw blade barely contacted the jig and left a scratch that was hard to see. If it is ever my flesh that triggers the safety, I hope the scratch is as hard to find!
 
Normally I'm anti SS simply because of the man behind it ...

A portable table saw to me is a massive compromise and something small and light has the formula for disaster in this movie, so all the safety you can acquire would make sense.

I hear the Bosch is coming???
 
Klemm said:
Richard,
have you had a first hand look at the new BOSCH flesh sensing saw for comparison?
I saw it demonstrated and explained at the JLC show in Providence a few weeks ago. You may want to compare. As shown price was $ 1,499.00
These saws will react to things which are conductive like green wood - that's based on the "deceased sawblade" and SS cartridge I saw displayed on a shop wall a couple of weeks ago.
I would also look at comparative ease of dust management between the two competitors.
Hans

Hans, I was under the impression that SS had sued & blocked Bosch at least temporarily from selling them. I would like to compare saws. Any idea where they are available?

Thanks,

RMW
 
grbmds said:
Richard,

I have owned the Sawstop Jobsite saw since it was available March, 2015. I love it. Just some quick background - I needed a saw that I could move around my shop to get it out of the way. I tried to convert completely to using the TS55 for all saw operations, but ripping, especially of narrow pieces, was always a problem.

Here are specific answers to your questions -
  Accuracy? - As far as I'm concerned, it's extremely accurate. I did adjust the cursor on the rip fence slightly (although I'm not sure it was made to adjust) but, after that, it's accurate. I generally rip slightly wide and joint, but when I need it right on, it is. I find there is essentially no wobble in the motor's  shaft so the cut is exactly where you set it.
  Dust collection? - Very good, but not perfect. I understand that Sawstop now has a blade guard with a port on it which wasn't originally available, but I'm satisfied using the 4" port below with my cyclone collector. I don't find the collection with my CT to be as good, but that might improve with a blade guard connection.
  Power? - No problems for me. I've ripped 8/4 white oak with it with no slowdown, but I am a more deliberate woodworker anyway and don't do anything real fast. I felt the original Sawstop blade ripped more easily than the replacement Freud Fusion blade I now have (accidentally tripped the brake by hitting an aluminum miter fence I was using), but the Freud blade is a good all-around blade and the full kerf version meets Sawstop's specs for acceptable blades. The supplied Sawstop blade was actually great though.
  Durability? - I can't tell about durability, but I see no reason why it won't last me the rest of my life (but that isn't as long as some people might need it to last). It's a very sturdy saw though. The stand is solid.
  Thoughts??? -
    Table insert - I am on my 3rd zero clearance insert. Sawstop replaced the original and the second one because I could not get it acceptably level with the saw table. It is made of molded plastic and the original and replacement were deformed enough so that there was no way to get it completely level with the table on all sides. However, Sawstop Support sent a 3rd one which is essentially flat. He told me that he would look for one that tested flat before sending it and, while some would say it isn't perfectly level, I have taken a straight edge to this last one and it's as level as my eyes can see. It hasn't caused any problems when ripping. At a recent Woodworking Show, I know I saw a new version of the insert, made of some solid composite material, but Sawstop Service insists there is no other version available.
      Table Extension - The part of the table which extends is not exactly level with the main table and there doesn't seem to be anything that can be adjusted, but it has not caused any problems as far as accuracy, so I don't worry about it. There is a little play when it is extended.
      Table - The distance in front of the blade is a little bit short, but I'm sure that is typical of jobsite saws in general.
        Portability - I love being able to easily fold it up and move it out of the way. It allows me to free up space temporarily for other operations. I never take it out of my shop, but its movability is a great feature for me.
        Miter Gauge - The cheapest thing about the saw is the miter gauge, but I now use an Incra miter gauge and that works well.
        Riving Knife/Blade Guard - These are great. There is a separate riving knife and a riving knife/blade guard combo. The dust collection isn't great when using just the riving knife though, but that should probably be expected as there is no cover on the blade.
        Safety - I have never seriously injured myself on a table saw and I've been woodworking since the mid-70's. However, since I have owned the Sawstop, I just feel less stressed when using the saw (not inattentive before someone hones in on that as a drawback). Since I did trip the brake on an aluminum miter fence, I saw how quickly the saw reacted (even before I knew what happened) and that gives me peace of mind. Even though I've never hurt myself, I know it can happen and I have cut myself with other, less dangerous tools, so running my finger into the blade is always a possibility, no matter how safe I've been over the years. To me, that alone was almost worth it.

Overall, I'd say that it's a great saw. It does what I want it to, crosscutting, ripping, and even cutting up smaller sheets of plywood. It is a great supplement to my TS55/MFT3.

Hope this helps.

[member=19734]grbmds[/member] - Thanks for the details, that is the kind of feedback I was hoping for. Kinda matches up with my expectations, although I was unaware that nicking AL would also trip the saw.

Appreciate your input.

RMW
 
Jamestoolie said:
Kev said:
Normally I'm anti SS simply because of the man behind it ...

A portable table saw to me is a massive compromise and something small and light has the formula for disaster in this movie, so all the safety you can acquire would make sense.

I hear the Bosch is coming???

Bosch USA says REAXX 2 coming June 2016.
https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/more/news-and-extras/specials/reaxx-2-final/

Thanks, answered my previous question of Hans.

RMW
 
rizzoa13 said:
I'll spin you another option, please don't hang me up here guys.

I have the Mafell Erika 85 and added the sliding table. It's SMALL when folded up and can be moved around extremely easily. It's inherently safer than a cabinet style saw because of the sliding table and pull function of the blade (at the end of a rip cut on thin pieces you can pull the blade towards you to finish the cut).

You'd also save space and money because a miter saw is no longer a necessity except when doing crown molding.

The saw is expensive but it's worth every dime. I came from an industrial sized cabinet saw ( 5hp and 12" blade) and have no regrets. I've even stood 4x6 on the tall side and buried the blade in the wood for a rip without stalling the motor.

I've been in Brig doing a small bathroom job in Kings Cove if you want to play with the saw.

[member=20320]rizzoa13[/member]

Safety aside, this is really the type of saw I want. I can see it would pretty much replace a SCMS (for my uses) and the sliding table is probably my #1/2 desire in a TS. Forgot this was available in the US.

When are you in Brig next? I would like to take you up on your offer, will PM.

RMW
 
rizzoa13 said:
Get your checkbook out because there's no way you'll say no once you play with it!

I don't doubt it, ~$4K-ish. Ouch.

On the other side, I can see how I could hold long stock on it stationary and use the pull saw to make the cut. Ideal for my situation.

RMW
 
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