Very disappointed

dustartist

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While initially a Festool fan, I have to say my latest additions to the system have left me wondering if I'll ever buy another Festool again.  The plunge saw, vacuum and guide rail combo were my first purchase several years ago, and I have been happy with them so far.  I bought the CDX12 screw gun after that and love it.  I have the MFT 1080 and use it frequently, no complaints.  The vacuum attachment set I got is great.

Then I bought the jigsaw.  That has turned out to be a big mistake.  The carbide blade guide assembly has needed replacement twice.  The adjusting screw strips out, and I was very careful about not overtightening it.  The metal is just too soft. The bevel is also nearly impossible to adjust without removing the foot plate entirely.  The little C-shaped piece of metal jams itself into into the softer metal of the foot when you tighten the allen screw.  If you loosen it to adjust the bevel, the C-shaped insert wont even budge, making it impossible to adjust unless you remove the foot plate, flip it over and knock it out w/ a nail set or something.  Dust extraction only works at 90 degrees, is mediocre at best, and obstructs visibility.  I don't even use it anymore.  I'm back to the old Bosch.

Two weeks ago, I bought the OF1010EQ router.  The one I got was difficult to plunge and nearly impossible to do one-handed.  It felt like there was a little detent at the top of the plunge action that took a lot of downward pressure to overcome.  I took it back and compared it to the demo model at the store, and the demo worked fine.  They took my new router and said I could use the demo model until mine came back from Festool.  Today they called and said my router was back.  I went to the store after work, and there was my router, the same one I had bought two weeks earlier, not a replacement.  It had been worked on, and now plunged easily, but with a lot of noise from the spring inside the shaft.  It felt like it was a lot more loose than the demo.  At that point I said I wasn't happy with the repair, and they offered me the demo model as a replacement.  Initially I said yes, but then reconsidered whether I really wanted a demo router for $350.  They refunded my money.

I was happy that the store did refund my money, no questions asked, and Festool has a 30 day satisfaction guarantee.  My opinion is that if you buy something that doesn't work properly right out of the box you should receive a new replacement item, not have to wait for the manufacturer to repair it.  That may not be Festool's opinion, and is definitely not their policy as followed by their distributors.  There were several other new routers in stock at the time, but I was only offered the demo or my repaired one back.  I felt my only option was to insist on a refund, even though I just really wanted a new router that worked properly out of the box, which is what I paid for initially.  That said, Festool honored their warranty, and that is all that really counts.  I still think they are a good company, but I wonder whether some of these tools are all they are cracked up to be.  These products are full of good ideas, but need to be subjected to rigorous testing before they are released to see if they are going to work as advertised.  I am a professional woodworker and rely on my tools to make a living.  Some of these tools are not reliable enough for me to keep in my tool kit.  Sorry, but those are the facts.

TD Graham

 
Don't blame you for being disappointed. As you said, they took care of it and I'm sure Festool will want to make you a satisfied user. Call the national number if you don't feel the dealer really cares. Festool wants happy customers.
 
"While initially a Festool fan, I have to say my latest additions to the system have left me wondering if I'll ever buy another Festool again."

Its always a bit suss when its a first post, and anti Festool in a nice manor  ;D
 
TD,

Can you post some pics of the issues you've run into?  There's a lot of experience in this forum that can help sort out things.

Dan.
 
You go ahead with your suspicions there, Tezzer.  I don't post anything in most of the other forums I read either, but I have been reading them for years.  Does that make me less credible to you?  As far as pictures go, there's really nothing to see.  The router issue seems to be internal to the plunge shaft and is not something visible.  The jigsaw base sticks when you try to adjust the bevel and the adjusting screw on the blade guide assembly has stripped out twice.  That is the best I can do.  Don't own the router anymore, and the jigsaw is going on Ebay.  I'm interested in hearing if there are any solutions to these problems, but again, I don't want to pay top dollar for a tool that doesn't work out of the box.  These are design/manufacturing flaws that need to be addressed by Festool so that their tools can be counted on by professionals
 
dustartist said:
You go ahead with your suspicions there, Tezzer.  I don't post anything in most of the other forums I read either, but I have been reading them for years. 

Thats ok Bull, i wasnt having a go, but its common in forums to get a first time troll poster baggin a product. ;D ;D
 
Don't know about some of the other issues, but I did have a somewhat similar experience with the jigsaw when I first started with Festools.  The base would not seem to go all the way to 90 and the blade was getting shoved to one side.  So, I called Customer Support.  Had a long talk with a very knowledgeable gentleman in California.  We figured it was a rare problem.  He offered to send a new jigsaw and I could return mine once the new one showed.  Or, I could return the item for a refund.  What more could I ask for?  As far as I am concerned, this is great customer service from Festool USA.

Corwin
 
You got a couple of lemons.
I guess that could happen to any of us.
I kind of go along with Corwin's approach.
If your dealer won't give satisfaction, go to the source.

I have read other reports of faulty Festool tools and those who went back to their REPUTABLE dealers have always seemed to have gotten satisfaction.  I don't think you had gone to a very reputable dealer and I think that is where your source of complaint lies.  There are other dealers out there who would have treated you a whole lot better, and with Festool's blessings.
Tinker
 
TD,

If I buy a tool and it doesn't work out of the box, whether it's Festool or Black and Decker I expect the retailer to exchange it for a working tool.  The issue of being forced to have your router repaired instead of exchanged sounds to me like a supplier problem and I would write up a little blurb identifying the supplier and complaining about the incident and send it off to Festool USA....and change suppliers.

As for the defective tool. one reason Festool queried FOG regarding warranties was that they want to improve upon their products and services to include infant mortality.  Again I'd send off a note to Festool USA clearly stating that this problem was a defect out of the box so that they have another data point.

I don't know what to tell you about the jigsaw, mine seems to work fine though I likely don't use it near as much as you do.
 
Sorry to hear about your experience with the jigsaw.  I recently purchased the new Bosch 1591 barrel-grip jigsaw and couldn't be happier with it.  A lot of folks have said it's better than the Festool.  I can't say, myself, but did fondle both before I bought the Bosch.  Nice and smooth and it has a blade-guide feature similar to the Festool.  Dust collection is ok, but I don't usually bother with dust collection for my occasional jigsaw-ing.

TP

dustartist said:
While initially a Festool fan, I have to say my latest additions to the system have left me wondering if I'll ever buy another Festool again.  The plunge saw, vacuum and guide rail combo were my first purchase several years ago, and I have been happy with them so far.  I bought the CDX12 screw gun after that and love it.  I have the MFT 1080 and use it frequently, no complaints.  The vacuum attachment set I got is great.

Then I bought the jigsaw.  That has turned out to be a big mistake.  The carbide blade guide assembly has needed replacement twice.  The adjusting screw strips out, and I was very careful about not overtightening it.  The metal is just too soft. The bevel is also nearly impossible to adjust without removing the foot plate entirely.  The little C-shaped piece of metal jams itself into into the softer metal of the foot when you tighten the allen screw.  If you loosen it to adjust the bevel, the C-shaped insert wont even budge, making it impossible to adjust unless you remove the foot plate, flip it over and knock it out w/ a nail set or something.  Dust extraction only works at 90 degrees, is mediocre at best, and obstructs visibility.  I don't even use it anymore.  I'm back to the old Bosch.

Two weeks ago, I bought the OF1010EQ router.  The one I got was difficult to plunge and nearly impossible to do one-handed.  It felt like there was a little detent at the top of the plunge action that took a lot of downward pressure to overcome.  I took it back and compared it to the demo model at the store, and the demo worked fine.  They took my new router and said I could use the demo model until mine came back from Festool.  Today they called and said my router was back.  I went to the store after work, and there was my router, the same one I had bought two weeks earlier, not a replacement.  It had been worked on, and now plunged easily, but with a lot of noise from the spring inside the shaft.  It felt like it was a lot more loose than the demo.  At that point I said I wasn't happy with the repair, and they offered me the demo model as a replacement.  Initially I said yes, but then reconsidered whether I really wanted a demo router for $350.  They refunded my money.

I was happy that the store did refund my money, no questions asked, and Festool has a 30 day satisfaction guarantee.  My opinion is that if you buy something that doesn't work properly right out of the box you should receive a new replacement item, not have to wait for the manufacturer to repair it.  That may not be Festool's opinion, and is definitely not their policy as followed by their distributors.  There were several other new routers in stock at the time, but I was only offered the demo or my repaired one back.  I felt my only option was to insist on a refund, even though I just really wanted a new router that worked properly out of the box, which is what I paid for initially.  That said, Festool honored their warranty, and that is all that really counts.  I still think they are a good company, but I wonder whether some of these tools are all they are cracked up to be.  These products are full of good ideas, but need to be subjected to rigorous testing before they are released to see if they are going to work as advertised.  I am a professional woodworker and rely on my tools to make a living.  Some of these tools are not reliable enough for me to keep in my tool kit.  Sorry, but those are the facts.

TD Graham
 
That may not be Festool's opinion, and is definitely not their policy as followed by their distributors.  There were several other new routers in stock at the time, but I was only offered the demo or my repaired one back.

Go ahead and name the distributor from whom you bought it. Ambiguity doesn't help anyone.

If it had been me, I would've said. "OK, then I choose to utilize Festool's 30 Day Money Back Guarantee". Return the defective one, then purchase a brand new replacement...from an online source.

I originally bought an RO125FEQ sander. It turns out that some of the accessories are a lot more expensive for it than the RO150FEQ and it was actually pretty uncomfortable for me to use the way I needed, so I returned it and bought the 6" model. I was more than a little put out that Woodworkers Emporium wanted me to eat the cost of a full box of sandpaper for it (I had used three sheets of the hundred). I said "fine, I will replace the missing pieces and return it in a few days." She then told me how they could lose their Festool dealership if she sold anything at a discounted rate and that's what she would have to do with a partial box and blah, blah, blah.

They actually acted a little put out at the whole idea of taking the return, but if you're going to be a Festool dealer, you have to play by their rules.

It got a little heated when she said she would not be ordering a five pack of sandpaper so I could replace the three missing pieces and return the full box. So, I told her that I would just order it off the internet and bring back the whole box in a few days.

So, I had McFeely's send me that $5 pack of paper...along with an OF1400 and some other stuff. BAM! There went a big sale (immediately, and several in the future) because of the attitude.

To summarize, you have many options when choosing your Festool source. Use them.
 
I can guarantee you your customer service at our store would have been a lot better than what you ran into. We as dealers just want you to be happy. I have never had any of those problems with my jigsaws from festool, but have had those problems with other jigsaws. As a dealer, sometimes there is a lemon here or there. We always replace your tool and make sure your happy. Also the customer service issues that gecko ran into sounds like a lack of knowledge as a whole by the distributor. Find your distributor and stick with the one you like. I know we go above and beyond to make sure EVERY customer is happy. We let you use our tools while yours are down and we stick to our word!

Sorry about your unfortunate event, and i would call them out to prevent furthur problems for other fog members.
 
To update, Festool is sending me another base for the jigsaw.  Hopefully this one will work better and allow me to change the bevel.  Still leery of that router.  I think I'm better off staying away from it for now.  Maybe they will come out with an upgraded model in a year or two and I'll look at that.  I'll report on how the jigsaw base works after I get it!
 
dustartist said:
To update, Festool is sending me another base for the jigsaw.  Hopefully this one will work better and allow me to change the bevel.  Still leery of that router.  I think I'm better off staying away from it for now.  Maybe they will come out with an upgraded model in a year or two and I'll look at that.  I'll report on how the jigsaw base works after I get it!

It sounds like your jigsaw problem my be improper heat treating. The router is another story however. I think they should have given you a new one if the first one had a problem. Good luck in the future with the Festool line of products.

RGJ
 
I received the replacement jigsaw base in the mail today.  Only took ten days....to get to L.A. from Santa Barbara(Goleta) CA.  I think I can walk there and back in that amount of time.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
 
dustartist said:
I received the replacement jigsaw base in the mail today.  Only took ten days....to get to L.A. from Santa Barbara(Goleta) CA.  I think I can walk there and back in that amount of time.   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Does the term "ingrate" come to mind? You might think that 10 days is a long time. I think that it may be a rapid response.  Festool has a parts policy which stocks the thousands of parts for their products. It is much better than any US mfr I know of. So maybe they had to get the part flown in this time...but however it got to you, 10 days is speedy. Did you pay for the part or shipping?
 
dustartist said:
I received the replacement jigsaw base in the mail today.  Only took ten days....to get to L.A. from Santa Barbara(Goleta) CA.  I think I can walk there and back in that amount of time.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

An old Indian saying comes to mind.  something like "before you judge a man, walk for seven moons in his moccasins.'  Try it sometime.  It'll be good for your sole --- er-- soul.

i was watching a presentation about postal service on TV the other nite.  When i saw all those huge bags of mail and bags of packages being loaded onto huge conveyors, it just amazed me that any mail could find its destination.  My Uncle used to deliver mail back in the days when he did it on horse cart, and then in a model T-ford and the upgradded to a Model-A.  Rain, snow, slet and so on, and then came home to milk the cows. 

I never walked in his mocassins, but i rode with him a couple of times in his Model A Ford.  Those were greeat days.
Tinker
 
NO, Woodshopdemos, the term ingrate certainly doesn't come to mind.  I paid for my jigsaw.  I'm not in the tool review business like you are, so if my comments here offend Festool, it's no skin off my nose.  If you think I should pay top dollar for defective merchandise and then wait for replacement parts while I have an immediate and pressing need for a functioning jigsaw then more power to you.  I'd say Festool is lucky to have a customer like you who demands nothing from them in return for the money you spent on their tools.  I have a streak of bad luck with Festool, and I'm going to think long and hard about making another Festool purchase in the future.  Mail from Goleta to L.A. takes one day to get here.  It took them ten days to SEND it, when they had it in stock.  I know because I called them.  They could have taken a base off of a new tool and sent it to me if there was an availability problem.  Maybe Rob is right, they just wont ever get it right for me.  I'll put the new base on the jigsaw Monday and report back whether it works right or not.  Thanks to all for your constructive comments.
 
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