What I learned the first time I sank a bunch of money into Festools...

RPSmith

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Howdy Everyone...

A few weeks ago, I posted about what I spent my money on the festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/jumped-in-the-festool-pool!-what-i-spent-my-money-on-the-first-time/first time I jumped into the Festpool

Well, after receiving the beautifully-large brown box from Bob Marino, I...

sent most of it back  [embarassed].

To those of you engaged in the harrowing decisions of what to buy and why, here's what I decided on the first time, and why I changed my mind.  

I hope that others can learn from my mistakes.

I bought:  the TS 75 with 75" fence.

I exchanged it for:
the TS 55 with 55" fence.

Why:  I went through all the machinations of the what-to's and where-for's of this decision and settled on the idea that bigger is better and that the one time out of 50 that I would need/want the extra depth/power, I would be happy to have the 75.  What I realized after having both working side by side was that the 55 could handle so much of the workload so much easier (due to its smaller size) and that it would be taken out of its box more often because of its ease of use.  If I'm going to spend that much on a saw, I'd better use it as much as possible, right?!

Also something to consider: I can lock the 55" rails up in my job box.  I do most of my work on-site and the 75" rail sitting out for others to use/abuse/walk away with is not something I want to drive home thinking about.

I bought: the OF 1010 router.

I exchanged it for: the OF 1400 router.

Why:  I bought the 1010 to originally go with the LR 32 hole drilling system.  While I plan to get this system in the future, I realized that in the meantime, I did most of my work with 1/2" colleted bits (which the 1010 does not accept).  The LR 32 will work with the 1400 (though was designed to work with the 1010) and I figured that I get a much better router (as compared to my Porter Cable) now with the option of going to the LR 32 system in the future still intact.

I bought:  many accoutrements to go along with the above items.

I exchanged them for
:  a Domino.

Why:  Not to knock the principle that Festools build upon themselves (they do).  But under limited funds, I decided to go with the tool that would make money the first time I operated it.  To echo words of others here: the Domino is transformational.

What I kept:

the MFT table:  this just seems like too good of a work station to give back.  and, yes, I did spend the money on the accoutrements (ie, clamps, fence, and more clamps) to make this item sing.

the CT26:  dust collection is the heart and soul of the Festool line and also my 'in' to those installs on high-end homes that don't want everything disturbed by dusty, poor-looking folk who do this kind of work (that's me).

the sanders:  I got the RS 2 and the ETS 125 and see absolutely no reason to send them back.  Beautifully made machines.  I can't wait to drive them into the ground...if that's possible.

the extra 55" fence (with LR 32 holes):  this way, I can still cut an 8' sheet of ply and also (in the future) use the LR 32 system.

So there they are: my purchases, my mistakes, and my recovery.  I feel very confident moving forward.

Also, a word of recognition:  Bob Marino is a great dealer who stands behind his tools and his sales.  I had to send back many of these purchases and the shipping was ridiculous to do so.  Even though the decision to change my mind was mine alone and even though there was absolutely nothing wrong with the tools that I was returning, Bob offered to help me with shipping the items back to him.  This is a star move.  He didn't have to do it, but did anyway.  Buy from Bob Marino with confidence.

I hope this helps those out there with their initial purchases.  These tools are too expensive to have to send them back to buy different.

If you can, go to a store that carries them, even if it is far away.  There is nothing like holding and using these tools in your hands for helping you make the right decision for you.

Hope this helps,

RPS
 
What actually hapens to these tools ?  Are they sent back to Festool to be cleaned up, are they sold as re-conditioned ?  I presume they cant be sold as new because someone might have been nocking hell out of them for 30 days !  I know i would not be happy to pay full whack for a new saw to discover it had been used.

Just wondered, thats all.  Oh & im not saying that RPSmith was hard on them  [smile]
 
woodguy7 said:
What actually hapens to these tools ?  Are they sent back to Festool to be cleaned up, are they sold as re-conditioned ?  Just wondered, thats all. 

Ya me too, just curious. What happens to the used tools?
Tim
 
I think some of them are sold as "refurbished" – not sure if this is by the dealer or Festool.  My CT22 was one such and saved me a few dollars. 

I have no problem with this because having the 30 test return period makes it much easier to try something that you can't really evaluate on-line or even in-store.  And the buyers of the refurbs get a bit of a discount.

Jeff
 
I'm not sure what happens to obviously used tools.   I would imagine that Festool sells them as reconditioned.

For the record, the tools I sent back were completely unused.  I even retied the little black twist ties back on the cords.

I was eventually able to get two friends (who owned the 75 and 55, respectively) together in the same room at the same time.  The 55 could do everything that the 75 could do (except for cutting through a 2 1/4" door) and was much easier to handle.

The router decision was purely academic.  The need to use a 1/2" bit now outweighed the easier-handling option (of the 1010) in the future purchase of the LR 32 hole-drilling system.
 
Good post RP!   The best minds are those that can change.  Sounds like you have a solid base of tools now.  I hope you will update this in six months - curious to see what comes next!

And yes, Bob Marino is tops.  He sticks with it until you are happy, whatever it takes.
 
RPSmith said:
I bought:  the TS 75 with 75" fence.

I exchanged it for:
the TS 55 with 55" fence.

I don't think you are the only one to have this preference. A common theme on FOG appears to be how much more used a TS 55 compared to a TS 75 for day to day tasks when both are available.

RPSmith said:
Why:  I bought the 1010 to originally go with the LR 32 hole drilling system.  While I plan to get this system in the future, I realized that in the meantime, I did most of my work with 1/2" colleted bits (which the 1010 does not accept).  The LR 32 will work with the 1400 (though was designed to work with the 1010) and I figured that I get a much better router (as compared to my Porter Cable) now with the option of going to the LR 32 system in the future still intact.

I have an OF 1400 and use the LR32 and find it easy to use. I have yet to notice that it was designed for any other router.

BTW, good pickup on the Domino. If you plan on M&T style joinery it can make a big difference to your work!

Brad
 
It depends on your day to day tasks.

I had to dump the Ts 55 the first day and get a 75 because I could stop the saw blade from spinning in its tracks.

If you use single sheets of plywood yeah the TS 55 is fine. If you commonly are ripping and cutting 2" hardwood, the TS 75 is much more preferable and by a huge margin.

For me the TS 55 is way underpowered. I guess when you grow up with a heavy powerful Skill 77  worm drive the TS 55 seems like a toy. Having one of each may be the way to go for many, but the 75 can do anything, the 55 can't.

If you can have only one I just can't understand how the 55 can be chosen, it's simply weak. I prefer the DeWalt battery operated saw to the TS 55. The DeWalt is the go to saw for anything plywood for me. The TS 75 for hardwoods.
 
Dovetail65 said:
It depends on your day to day tasks.

I had to dump the Ts 55 the first day and get a 75 because I could stop the saw blade from spinning in its tracks.

If you use single sheets of plywood yeah the TS 55 is fine. If you commonly are ripping and cutting 2" hardwood, the TS 75 is much more preferable and by a huge margin.

For me the TS 55 is way underpowered. I guess when you grow up with a heavy powerful Skill 77  worm drive the TS 55 seems like a toy. I guess having one of each may be the way to go for many, but the 75 can do anything, the 55 can't.

If you can have only one I just can't understand how the 55 can be chosen, it's simply weak. I prefer the DeWalt battery operated saw to the TS 55.

In almost 3 years, I have yet to need the bigger 75.  I have cut 150 year old doors, straight line RS lumber up to 6/4 and everything in between without so much as a hiccup from the saw.  I would not want to drag around the 75 with me at all.
 
You act like the TS 75 is heavy. Try dragging around a skill saw.

I do not have to drag tools around, but come to my shop I will toss some lumber up on the table and SHOW you how the 55 is underpowered.

If you like the 55 you will love that DeWalt cordless or even the DeWalt corded, they are just better, seem lighter, more power, easier to handle, horizontal cutting a nice advantage.

For me the DeWalt and the TS 75 is a fantastic combination.

And what the heck are you dragging tools around for that is what a helper or apprentice is for. My days of setting up or cleaning the tools out of the job site are long gone. Heck, I have a high school kid drive me around when I go out to the field!At some point dues are paid. I paid mine. I have hauled, humped and set up and cleaned up more job sites in my life than I care to talk about. My time to do the fun stuff and let the helpers do what I used to do.

Oh and old wood does not necessarily mean it is hard wood, I do deal in mostly exotics which is probably the difference right there.
 
Cordless saws suck, all of them.  Yes all of them.  The only tool that should have a battery is a drill.  Cordless circular saws, recip saws and jig saws are just about worthless.  Not to mention cold weather and Lithium Ion battery's.

9 times out of 10, I see no need for the 75. 

Like I said, I use my 55 for a lot of different things and still have yet to need or want a bigger saw.

I just really don't like Sys 5's either, those things are huge.

I really think that for 90% of the people that consider a TS saw, the 55 is more then adequate.
 
hehe I know you have not tried the saw now!

And they do have a corded version.

I remember the guys saying that same type thing when I showed up with my Paslode, now those same guys have them and know they have there uses. Battery operated tools, saws included have there place. As I said it is part of my combo TS 75 DeWalt set up. To bad they stopped making them(one reason you can get the cordless for 300.00!), I only hope they come out with a newer version with an even better battery.

I can;t be the only one that thinks the TS is underpowered. It is a one or two sheet plywood saw, IMHO.

We can agree to disagree on the TS 55 vs 75.

Have you ever used the TS 75 for a few weeks? You may change your mind if you do. I just do not find it that heavy. The TS 75 is the better saw, again, IMHO.
 
Dovetail65 said:
hehe I know you have not tried the saw now!

And they do have a corded version.

I have used every cordless saw there is. 

I have thrown away or given them all away too.

If you are talking about the 36 volt dewalt one's, they are heavier then a tool with a cord.

Boo to cordless tools.
 
I sense a person that does not like change. Talk to me in 10 years and let me check your tools then. I have a feeling my 8 years olds may never plug a tool in the wall, only battery chargers.  :)
 
The thing is, I have used the 75.  I used a friends for a couple weeks before I went and bought the 55.  

I just thought it was too big and I didn't care for the extra rail space needed for it's bigger base.

I just sold off all my Paslode Impulse guns, 2 finish nailers and the framer.  Mainly because they are so loud, the butane stinks inside a house, they battery's always needed charged when you wanted to use them and they are expensive to operate.

They are handy every now and then but, they gathered dust for over a year so I let them go.

I still am not wanting to go to a Lithium batter either.  Every one I have used or played with is horrible in the cold weather.  I don't want to have to bring my battery's inside at night so they can stay warm.  

Even Festool's Lithium's are the same way.

In 10 years there will be a used battery epidemic and we will probably have to pay big money to get rid of the newest toxic waste.

All hail electricity.

On the old wood thing about the doors, I have cut about every species of hard wood door there is around here.
Lots of oak, walnut, butter nut, southern yellow pine, a few fir ones, some nasty old thick poplar ones, and several unknowns.

I have taxed the 55 and she does all I need and more.
 
WarnerConstCo. said:
Dovetail65 said:
hehe I know you have not tried the saw now!

And they do have a corded version.

I have used every cordless saw there is. 

I have thrown away or given them all away too.

If you are talking about the 36 volt dewalt one's, they are heavier then a tool with a cord.

Boo to cordless tools.
 

I have a Bosch 24 volt cordless saw that does OK for some things, and I appreciate the lack of a cord, but the absence of good dust collection makes it an outside-only saw.  It weighs about the same as my TS55, but neither comes anywhere near the weight of my old Skil 77 wormy [blink].  That thing is a true boat anchor.  The only time it gets used any more is on PT framing lumber.  Whew!!!  

[smile]
 
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