What's the best sander for this application?

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Recently replaced 10 windows in our home.  I found a lot of gunked up layers of paint and a messy jagged edge where the old side stops met the trim.  Before I reinstall new side stops I want to sand the paint smooth.  I tried a stiff putty knife to no avail.  I'm seeing maybe a new sander on my horizon.  ;D  Question is,  what's the best way to go for this application?  I was thinking either a DTS 400 EQ or maybe a Duplex LS 130 would be better suited.  Your advice?
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I'd use the LS 130. The LS stands for linear sander which is going to give a back and forth motion compared to a Random Orbital model which will bounce off adjacent surfaces.

Besides you'll be able to sand various profiles with the LS 130 later on down the road as well.

Dan Clermont
 
Stoolman said:
Question is,  what's the best way to go for this application?  I was thinking either a DTS 400 EQ or maybe a Duplex LS 130 would be better suited.  Your advice?

At risk of being accused of being a party pooper, wouldn't it be faster and less expensive to just cap it with some lattice?
 
I second Dan's advice. The LS 130 is going to be better due to the linear motion. It is one really cool sander for profiles of all kinds... Mine gets most of its workouts on rounded over edges.

Tom
 
If you're looking at hard paint with jagged edges then I'd say that one of those orbital sanders you mention isn't the best choice. They are made for a smooth finish but lack the power for heavier jobs.

I've done a lot of house painting, grew up in a body shop where I learned to work with paint and all kinds of machines, but I prefer to work with wood instead of metal like my father did. One thing I did grow accustom too is the power of the random orbital sanders like the Rotex. They are more or less the standard in the car business so from ever since I was a young boy I learned to do every possible job with them.

And to be honest, it is my opinion that with the proper skill you can do about any job with them any other sander can do. With the benefit of a lot more power and faster work.  Especially on hard paint that's difficult to remove. You will have a long and hard time doing the same with an orbital sander, especially those small ones.

But ....... you say you used a putty knife to no avail, have you tried an old chisel? I always use a couple of them of various sizes, and when they are sharp there's not a strip of paint that can withstand them. Much better than a putty knife because a putty knife isn't meant to be sharp. When I meet an edge like the one on that photo, I think: chisel!

After you've done the rough work with the chisel you could best use the  RTS 400 to smooth it out (if you don't want to go for a Rotex :)), it's much more versatile than the 130. If you want even more versatility, get the DTS instead of the RTS, the Delta shape can do what the square can do plus tight corners.

I use the Rotex 150 and an 93x93 mm delta sander of Metabo to do all my house painting work. The DTS 400 is on top of my wish list though.
 
 
I run into this plenty of times, I'd recommend a carbide scraper, something like this one. You can find something similar  at most home centers. Scrapers with a high speed steel blade (the type that Rutabagared linked below) tend to lose their edge quickly and you need to know how to resharpen them, while it's not hard to learn it's a hassle. I'd think the LS 130 isn't an aggressive enough sander for the job and as Alex mentioned orbital sanders may not be either. It may not be fun but I've not found a better way to deal with paint build up than scraping in cases like this. 
 
Brice those scrapers  do work great and I also think it would be better than a sander, at least start with the scraper then sand after.

We can't take a reason for him to get another Festool sander away from him!
 
Did the same thing numerous times, best thing I bought, DX 93 detail sander.  Seriously one of the most over looked tools in the line up.
 
Brice Burrell said:
I run into this plenty of times, I'd recommend a carbide scraper

Indeed, how silly of me to forget that and talk about a chisel. :) Scrapers all the way!

@WarnerConstCo. I think a delta sander is great too, wouldn't want to miss mine. I doubt I'll ever buy me a Festool though, I don't think you'll get the best value for your buck on the DX93. My Metabo cost only 40% of the Deltex while it's more powerful than the Deltex and most certainly a pleasure to work with. In my opinion there are a couple  Festool tools that have a clear advantage over the competition and therefore warrant the extra cost, not this one though.
 
Woodenfish said:
Stoolman said:
Question is,  what's the best way to go for this application?  I was thinking either a DTS 400 EQ or maybe a Duplex LS 130 would be better suited.  Your advice?

At risk of being accused of being a party pooper, wouldn't it be faster and less expensive to just cap it with some lattice?

I am going to cap it with 'lattice'...we call them 'side stops' in the US.  First though, I need to remove the jagged edge where the old stops meet the front corner edge.  If you look at the picture,  the left side edge of the dark brown area.

Nick,  thanks for echoing my sentiments.  Daddy wants a new sander!  When you're not doing this professionally,  you have to look for new applications to justify a purchase.  Brice, OK,  I buy the scraper and an LS130.  I use the scraper to complete the task but maybe run the sander in the background, if you know what I'm sayin.  ;)
 
Stoolman said:
  Brice, OK,  I buy the scraper and an LS130.  I use the scraper to complete the task but maybe run the sander in the background, if you know what I'm sayin.   ;)

I've got no problem with that.  ;D
 
Brice Burrell said:
I run into this plenty of times, I'd recommend a carbide scraper, something like this one. You can find something similar  at most home centers. Scrapers with a high speed steel blade (the type that Rutabagared linked below) tend to lose their edge quickly and you need to know how to resharpen them, while it's not hard to learn it's a hassle. I'd think the LS 130 isn't an aggressive enough sander for the job and as Alex mentioned orbital sanders may not be either. It may not be fun but I've not found a better way to deal with paint build up than scraping in cases like this. 

I have several bahco carbide scrapers, and they are great. However, after I learned to quickly and properly sharpen my high speed steel blade scrapers, I tend to go with them more often than the bahco's. The reason is that the edge of the high speed steel blade scraper is so much sharper than the carbide blade scraper, which in some circumstances is a nice advantage. When a really sharp edge isn't that important, the bahco's are of course the way to go.
 
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