1010 Router and hinges/jigs.

[tomba26]

Hi all, I'm at home enjoying a few days off work and still seem to be drawn into work through this website.  [big grin]
Anyway I'm considering a new small router for lightweight tasks and in particular to use when letting in door hinges. I have been scoring the hinges with a knife and then cutting to depth with a small router and finishing with chisel.
Anyone using the 1010 for this, how does the handle work with tasks like this (it looks like it would be great if you were using it vertically in a door casing say)?
Also what about hinge jigs, I can't see a 16mm festool guide bush for Trend's hinge jig, do you just work out the offset for the nearest festool bush. I know the unibase is an option but I really don't like them. Or do Festool offer some kind of hinge jig system?
Thanks.

 

[Troll]

The Trend one-piece hinge jig is the best on the market.  I use it with the OF1010 and it's a great combination.

Forget the Uni-base, as you rightly say, use the Festool 17mm copy ring and use a 5mm spacer instead of the 4mm spacer Trend supply with the hinge jig.  I use a 5mm drill bit as the spacer.  Also get yourself the corner chisel to finish it off.  I also use a Trend ledging router bit to put on the leading - edges of the door - expensive at ?50 but worth it for speed of production.  Particularly useful on those moulded doors where it's really difficult to plane the edges smoothly because of the poor quality of the timber used (pallet wood, as I call it).

Just used the above combination on a job.  Less than 5 minutes to put the leading edge on a door and cut perfect hinge recesses (door and frame).  If I was hanging doors all the time I would buy two hinge jigs and leave one setup for the 3" hinges and one for the 4".  Having said that it's only 5 minutes to setup once you know how to do it.

I've no connection to Trend, I just appreciate that their jigs are the best available.  Their worktop jig is head and shoulders better than anyone elses.

Troll

 

[Wood_Junkie]

That Trend jig is sweet.  Priced like the blue and green.  [wink]

I used the Hinge-Mate:
http://www.amazon.com/Hinge-Mate-HM-1100W-Door-Template/dp/B0000224L5
Note that I am not a professional contractor but used this to mortise all the replacement doors in our house (total of 9).  I was very, very satisfied with the results.  You size the opening to the actual hinge and it includes a bearing bit which takes care of the necessary offset.  A quick smack with a corner chisel and all done.
It also allows you to do mating mortises on the door jamb, *prior* to installing the jamb.  I did this with two doorways I replaced.  Worked exquisitely.
Drawback:  You have to move to jig to route each mortise.  It is not a lengthy jig allowing positioning of all hinge mortises at once.

Lee Valley also offers what seems like a nice hinge mortising system.  Only $62.50 USD:
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=40219&cat=1,43000,40219

And finally, this was the top-of-the-heap when I was researching hinge jigs 2 years back.  Porter-Cable's system, priced about the same as the Trend:
http://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-59381-Hinge-Butt-Template/dp/B0000224KV/ref=pd_cp_hi_1

 

[tomba26]

Thanks for the info folks, just to clarify I do have a Trend Hinge Jig, I just don't tend to use it unless I have a few doors to do in one go. I just wondered what the options were with the 1010 and guide bushes.......sounds like a different spacer is the perfect solution.
How does the little router perform in general any pros or cons with the handle configuration? I have only ever had routers in the past with 'conventional' handles.

 

[tdfiver]

Hello there, I use the small Bosch Palm router and an alloy hinge jig for doors only I tend not to do new builds but get loads of re-furbs so replacing doors in whole house type jobs.

Anyway the TS55 is the dogs danglies for trimming a door, since I bought mine the Festool planer has not been out of the box for doors. And a leading edge is also a doddle with the saw.

 

[Deansocial]

http://www.festoolusa.com/products/routers/template-guides-imperial/guide-bushing-adaptor-469625.html

1 of these

and

http://www.trend-uk.com/en/UK/productlist/4/203/Guide_Bushes.html

see bottom of page for us style

dont listen when they try and sell uni base etc

 

[tomba26]

Dean that adapter looks ideal, I've never seen that for the Festool routers before.  [embarassed]
Looks like it would take no time at all to put on the router and I don't need to mess about with sub-bases, just get a US style 16mm bush for the hinge jig. [big grin]
Do you use this base/bush combo on a 1010?

 

[tdfiver]

This is the jig I use, takes 10 seconds to fit on the door. Mine cost ?40 in a sale.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAKITA-ALUMINIUM-HINGE-JIG-SIZE-50x160mm-/360166453972?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item53db97f2d4

can do any size up to 6" hinge which I sometimes find in older houses.

 

[tomba26]

That Makita jig looks like it would be quick to set up and use. How do you adjust for different size hinges, do you use spacers?

 

[Deansocial]

Dean that adapter looks ideal, I've never seen that for the Festool routers before.  [embarassed]
Looks like it would take no time at all to put on the router and I don't need to mess about with sub-bases, just get a US style 16mm bush for the hinge jig. [big grin]
Do you use this base/bush combo on a 1010?

i use that setup on my of1400 with my trend jig

 

[tomba26]

Dean that adapter looks ideal, I've never seen that for the Festool routers before.  [embarassed]
Looks like it would take no time at all to put on the router and I don't need to mess about with sub-bases, just get a US style 16mm bush for the hinge jig. [big grin]
Do you use this base/bush combo on a 1010?

i use that setup on my of1400 with my trend jig

Cheers for the info.

 

[Deansocial]

Dean that adapter looks ideal, I've never seen that for the Festool routers before.  [embarassed]
Looks like it would take no time at all to put on the router and I don't need to mess about with sub-bases, just get a US style 16mm bush for the hinge jig. [big grin]
Do you use this base/bush combo on a 1010?

i use that setup on my of1400 with my trend jig

Cheers for the info.

just seen the of1010 adapter is non metalic, dunno if it will flex more if not metal

 

[tdfiver]

That Makita jig looks like it would be quick to set up and use. How do you adjust for different size hinges, do you use spacers?

There are 2 screw adjusters the take into account the different door thicknesses, it doesn't matter what thickness the door is if you use the same hinge every time, only if you swop to a different size hinge.
Once you set the sides for the size of hinge, say 3" or 4" it stays like that till you swop hinge size. but its only a couple of recessed machine screws. I have marked the jig so I can adjust it without having to measure it.

Saying all that, I tend to use the same 4" brass & coppered washered hinge. Even if I swop to 4" fire rated hinge its the same setting.

 

[tomba26]

That Makita jig looks like it would be quick to set up and use. How do you adjust for different size hinges, do you use spacers?

There are 2 screw adjusters the take into account the different door thicknesses, it doesn't matter what thickness the door is if you use the same hinge every time, only if you swop to a different size hinge.
Once you set the sides for the size of hinge, say 3" or 4" it stays like that till you swop hinge size. but its only a couple of recessed machine screws. I have marked the jig so I can adjust it without having to measure it.

Saying all that, I tend to use the same 4" brass & coppered washered hinge. Even if I swop to 4" fire rated hinge its the same setting.

Looks an interesting jig that, it would take up a heck of a lot less room than the big Trend as well. In use do you find it quick enough to move along the door to do all 3 hinges (it looks like it's just a case of 2 clamping screws) on a bunch of doors? Obviously the Trend unit sits across the edge of the stile and lets you do more than 1 hinge when it's set.

 

[dazzer]

same as that troll,i recently purchased the trend 2 part hinge jig and the festool 1010 router,the 2part hinge jig got wrecked in no time due to it flexing a bit at the joint fair play to trend for replacing it with a single piece one,which is exellent,i did rout a bit out of that one but not in a place where it mattered,and that was due to the dust extraction hose bieng connected whilst doing the top hinge on the door frame,so i use the dust extraction when recessing the hinges on the doors,but not when im doing the door frames,it didnt take me long to get my head around using them the setting up time say 5 mins,you soon save that time i wont be doing them with a hammer and chisel unless its just one or two doors on old frames.also thanks for the 5mm spacer tip instead of the supplied trend 4mm spacer,i will try that on my next batch of doors and frames.

 

[tdfiver]

That Makita jig looks like it would be quick to set up and use. How do you adjust for different size hinges, do you use spacers?

There are 2 screw adjusters the take into account the different door thicknesses, it doesn't matter what thickness the door is if you use the same hinge every time, only if you swop to a different size hinge.
Once you set the sides for the size of hinge, say 3" or 4" it stays like that till you swop hinge size. but its only a couple of recessed machine screws. I have marked the jig so I can adjust it without having to measure it.

Saying all that, I tend to use the same 4" brass & coppered washered hinge. Even if I swop to 4" fire rated hinge its the same setting.

Looks an interesting jig that, it would take up a heck of a lot less room than the big Trend as well. In use do you find it quick enough to move along the door to do all 3 hinges (it looks like it's just a case of 2 clamping screws) on a bunch of doors? Obviously the Trend unit sits across the edge of the stile and lets you do more than 1 hinge when it's set.

On any door the same thickness the setting is the same, so just slide along or take off and replace, you just loosen the two screw clamps....done in seconds.

It is heavy duty without being cumbersome, and doesn't flex or bend and once set will stay like that. Any size guide bush will do, it's up-to you once you have set it up for which ever size guide bush the really it is sooooo easy to use.