220V vac with 110V tool

Jadama

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My TS55 is 110V, the voltage in my area is 220V. I am using a 5000W step-down transformer, now festool tools are now available here but rated at 220V. Got the idea of purchasing a CTmidi, plug the transformer to it and then the saw to the transformer. Would like to ask if this is workable or thoughts anyone might have with this idea?

Advance thanks. John
 
Jadama said:
My TS55 is 110V, the voltage in my area is 220V. I am using a 5000W step-down transformer, now festool tools are now available here but rated at 220V. Got the idea of purchasing a CTmidi, plug the transformer to it and then the saw to the transformer. Would like to ask if this is workable or thoughts anyone might have with this idea?

Advance thanks. John

As long as you don't exceed the current draw rating on the CT I don't see why it would be a problem? There *is* a possibility that the transformer will draw enough current when 'idle' (tool connected but not activated) to turn the CT on, so I'd test that at a dealer before you decide to go this way...
 
Ye I tried that but the power works with vac but vac won't switch off when you power the down the tool
 
I tried this with my Bosch dust extractor and suspected I already knew the answer, but tried anyway... and yes, the idle current draw does cause the extractor to run constantly even in auto mode.
 
As long as it is a conventional transformer, it shouldn't cause the vacuum to continually run. Yes, the vacuum will auto-start when the transformer is first plugged in because there is some inrush current to "charge the windings". Once that inrush current has settled down, the vacuum should turn back off.

Other vacuums may have a lower trigger threshold, but the Festool vacs are high enough that they don't.
 
I'd like to add that there are different quality transformers out there, just like there are different quality tools. If you are going this way and haven't already purchased your transformer it might be worth looking into the options available to you. A higher quality transformer will have higher efficiency and a lower 'idle' current. It may work for you while a 'cheapie' convertor doesn't.

Just another option for you if there is an issue...
 
Rick Christopherson said:
As long as it is a conventional transformer, it shouldn't cause the vacuum to continually run. Yes, the vacuum will auto-start when the transformer is first plugged in because there is some inrush current to "charge the windings". Once that inrush current has settled down, the vacuum should turn back off.

Other vacuums may have a lower trigger threshold, but the Festool vacs are high enough that they don't.

This is interesting. My Bosch extractor runs indefinitely when my 3.3kva transformer is plugged into it.  Have you actually tried this on a festool extractor, if so which one?
 
orm8426 said:
Rick Christopherson said:
As long as it is a conventional transformer, it shouldn't cause the vacuum to continually run. Yes, the vacuum will auto-start when the transformer is first plugged in because there is some inrush current to "charge the windings". Once that inrush current has settled down, the vacuum should turn back off.

Other vacuums may have a lower trigger threshold, but the Festool vacs are high enough that they don't.

This is interesting. My Bosch extractor runs indefinitely when my 3.3kva transformer is plugged into it.  Have you actually tried this on a festool extractor, if so which one?

Yes, I have tried it with a Festool CT extractor. They have a reasonably high trigger threshold. As a matter of fact, they have been known to not auto-start right away with a small sander set at low speed. The CT vac will fire momentarily from the transformer inrush current, but then it shuts back off.

I was recently doing some testing with CT vacs, and I wanted to use the smallest load possible to trigger them. So I grabbed a 40 watt desk lamp, thinking that surely it would be big enough to trigger the vac, but small enough to not interfere with my measurements. Nope! It wouldn't trigger the vac. I ended up using a small dremel tool that drew 1-amp at idle.

Transformers are one of the most efficient inventions the human race has created, in that the real-life device behaves very close to the theoretical-ideal equations. Without a load on the secondary winding, there is very little current flowing through the primary. The infinite resistance of an open circuit on the secondary reflects back to the primary as almost infinite resistance. However, many of these transformers have tiny light bulbs that could trigger a vacuum with a very low threshold.
 
Rick Christopherson said:
orm8426 said:
Rick Christopherson said:
As long as it is a conventional transformer, it shouldn't cause the vacuum to continually run. Yes, the vacuum will auto-start when the transformer is first plugged in because there is some inrush current to "charge the windings". Once that inrush current has settled down, the vacuum should turn back off.

Other vacuums may have a lower trigger threshold, but the Festool vacs are high enough that they don't.

This is interesting. My Bosch extractor runs indefinitely when my 3.3kva transformer is plugged into it.  Have you actually tried this on a festool extractor, if so which one?

Yes, I have tried it with a Festool CT extractor. They have a reasonably high trigger threshold. As a matter of fact, they have been known to not auto-start right away with a small sander set at low speed. The CT vac will fire momentarily from the transformer inrush current, but then it shuts back off.

I was recently doing some testing with CT vacs, and I wanted to use the smallest load possible to trigger them. So I grabbed a 40 watt desk lamp, thinking that surely it would be big enough to trigger the vac, but small enough to not interfere with my measurements. Nope! It wouldn't trigger the vac. I ended up using a small dremel tool that drew 1-amp at idle.

Transformers are one of the most efficient inventions the human race has created, in that the real-life device behaves very close to the theoretical-ideal equations. Without a load on the secondary winding, there is very little current flowing through the primary. The infinite resistance of an open circuit on the secondary reflects back to the primary as almost infinite resistance. However, many of these transformers have tiny light bulbs that could trigger a vacuum with a very low threshold.

Thanks for the info. This would be a justifiable and beneficial reason for swapping to a CT.
 
I have a 3.3kva 110v transformer that triggers both my 240v CT's and they continue to run indefinitely. I tried it on my CT11E and my much newer CTL 26 with the same result.

Admittedly, I don't think the 110v transformer is a top quality one, but it certainly doesn't shut down on its own after plugging in the transformer.

Tim.
 
Distinctive Interiors said:
I have a 3.3kva 110v transformer that triggers both my 240v CT's and they continue to run indefinitely. I tried it on my CT11E and my much newer CTL 26 with the same result.

Admittedly, I don't think the 110v transformer is a top quality one, but it certainly doesn't shut down on its own after plugging in the transformer.

Tim.

This is what I thought would happen, I suspect it might be something to do with the above poster being in the US and we in the UK, not the quality of your transformer...
 
I just had to check this out. I don't have the credentials that Rick has, but I do have a CT36AC and I also have a Tripp Lite 1000 watt step-up/down transformer. Not as large as what you guys are talking about, but figured it was worth a try.

The Tripp Lite has an on-off switch on it, so I plugged it into the CT36AC with nothing connected to it on the output. With the switch off, nothing happened of course.

But as soon as I turned the switch on, the CT fired up - even without any kind of tool or load connected. So at least in this one isolated instance it wouldn't work as you intended.

Of course I'm going 'backwards' to what you would be doing. In your case the transformer should draw about 1/2 of the current that mine does, since you're stepping DOWN where I was stepping UP. Still, I think it would be worth doing a test before you commit the dollars ...
 
wow said:
I just had to check this out. I don't have the credentials that Rick has, but I do have a CT36AC and I also have a Tripp Lite 1000 watt step-up/down transformer.

Can you post a picture of this? I don't think Tripp Lite makes transformers. I think what you have is a voltage converter (aka solid state power supply).
 
Rick Christopherson said:
wow said:
I just had to check this out. I don't have the credentials that Rick has, but I do have a CT36AC and I also have a Tripp Lite 1000 watt step-up/down transformer.

Can you post a picture of this? I don't think Tripp Lite makes transformers. I think what you have is a voltage converter (aka solid state power supply).

As I said, I don't have your credentials - but was trained as a EE, hold an Amateur Extra Class ham license, and have some experience in these things. It's ABSOLUTELY a transformer - just try to lift it up and you'd know!

[wink]

I can't post a picture now but I will tomorrow when I go out to the shop again.
 
So much appreciate the responses from everyone, thanks. Just foound out the dealer here has a space now for the tools in there main office and I plan to bring my transformer there to test the vac. I'll post an update after. 
 
Jadama said:
So much appreciate the responses from everyone, thanks. Just foound out the dealer here has a space now for the tools in there main office and I plan to bring my transformer there to test the vac. I'll post an update after.

Cool! Very anxious to hear how it turns out.

Really hope it does what you want, but will be just as happy if you find out it doesn't and it keeps you from wasting money on a plan that won't work?!
 
Visited my dealer here (Hafele) today, asked them if I could test my TS55 with the transformer on their 220V vac. Request granted, yey, so with the CT26 plugged in, connected the transformer...nothing happened, vac didn't run, yey. Next plug the TS to the trans, vac didn't turned on, yey. Powered the TS, vac turned on, cut power, vac did it's thing then turned off. "YES" I happily exclaimed. Tried the procedure again, everything was fine but it happened the CT turned on by itself...like on/off-on/off. A little disappointed but happy to finally know the result, and so are they.

Thanks again for listening(reading:)).
 
Jadama said:
Visited my dealer here (Hafele) today, asked them if I could test my TS55 with the transformer on their 220V vac. Request granted, yey, so with the CT26 plugged in, connected the transformer...nothing happened, vac didn't run, yey. Next plug the TS to the trans, vac didn't turned on, yey. Powered the TS, vac turned on, cut power, vac did it's thing then turned off. "YES" I happily exclaimed. Tried the procedure again, everything was fine but it happened the CT turned on by itself...like on/off-on/off. A little disappointed but happy to finally know the result, and so are they.

Thanks again for listening(reading:)).

The plot thickens!
 
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