96 mm Layout for new work table

[Nick561]

I have a CNC machine in the WPB FLorida area if anyone needs. I've made several MFSLAB style tops.  I prefer using my slab over my MFT for the size and extras I added

Unless one likes making holes, the ^this^ seems like a good idea.
How much are the tops?

(The local shop wanted >$1000 to make a 4'x8' MDF top with 96-mm holes, which I drove away from without a top)

I was thinking between $150 - $175 depending on any customizing of the file ( like I put resessed pockets in mine to hold pencils, ect...). This would include the sheet of wood.

 

[DrD]

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member]

I'm coming late to this thread, so please excuse me.  Has any US-based distributor picked up Peter Parfitt's UJK Parf Guide System?  I just checked Lee Valley and could not locate it there.  Initially I believe the company for which Shane works was going to, but I believe that was put on hold.  Any help is appreciated.

 

[Stone Message]

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member]

I'm coming late to this thread, so please excuse me.  Has any US-based distributor picked up Peter Parfitt's UJK Parf Guide System?  I just checked Lee Valley and could not locate it there.  Initially I believe the company for which Shane works was going to, but I believe that was put on hold.  Any help is appreciated.

Now I am just the guy who created the PGS and Axminster do the manufacturing and the marketing. They have established a really efficient export system as a result of the (quite unexpected) popularity of the system. They have also created a new production  line and workshop especially for the PGS. I am told that some people in NA have received their system within 3 days although the average is more like 5 days. Also, anyone outside Europe gets the PGS without the European sales tax (VAT) so that is an instant 20% discount.

I have avoided joining any thread to randomly push the PGS but I have to say that it is astonishingly accurate. It should be good for hundreds of custom bench tops and is probably less  than the cost of a single CNC produced MFT3 top.

The 4 cut test proves the accuracy of the PGS and I would love to see the same test applied to other methods of creating a custom bench top. I have retained all of the pieces cut in my 4 cut test video so that they can be independently inspected if required.

Peter

 

[clark_fork]

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member]

I'm coming late to this thread, so please excuse me.  Has any US-based distributor picked up Peter Parfitt's UJK Parf Guide System?  I just checked Lee Valley and could not locate it there.  Initially I believe the company for which Shane works was going to, but I believe that was put on hold.  Any help is appreciated.

The short answer is no but ordering from Axminster is just a smooth as ordering from New Jersey. I had mine in less than two weeks and there were no custom officials knocking at my door. You save VAT and that cancels out the modest shipping charge.

The only problem I had was that Peter's video persuades that the removable chuck on the Festool drill makes another purchase seem essential. So this purchase put me into ordering a Festool Drill.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-102278

 

[DrD]

[member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member]
[member=49013]clark_fork[/member]

Thanks for the quick replies.  Actually the only experience I've had ordering from outside the US was with model train gear, and that was less than pleasant.  I'll go onto Axminister's web set and have a go.

 

[Shane Holland]

[member=19075]DrD[/member], we tried working out a deal to import them but we're able to come to a mutually beneficial agreement.

 

[Holmz]

...
://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-102278

If you are selling yours I'll take it, otherwise I will order me one.

 

[Klemm]

I have the LR32 kit and 20mm bit, wondering if anyone has an exact method of drilling a 4x8 table top to the 96 mm grid?

Are you interested in getting the 20mm x 96mm OC top done as efficiently as possible or do you want the enjoyment of doing it yourself?
I'm asking because we are about to provide free CAD model DXF files anyone can download from our website to have the hole pattern cut locally by a commercial cabinet shop with an industrial CNC Router.
If you're interested in going the commercial route, we're prepared to help you find a suitable shop with a CNC ROuter in your area.
Let me know where you are located.
the files we will have available cover top sizes 48x96; 60x60; 36x72 and sizes to fit MFT1080;  MFT-3; MFT Kapex plus any other size having popular demand. Hope this helps
Hans
info@tsoproducts.com

We're ready to put the CAD models in DXF format along with drawings pdf's up on our website in a  new "Plans" section for free download
Following are dimension sheet sizes all with holes 20.0mm on 96mm centers"
48x96"
60x60"
36x72 "
54"x29" ***similar overall to (MFT 1080 p/n 489396)
43.4x 28.3" nominal but made to match my own MFT-3 p/n 495543 measuring 1101mm x 718mm
36.2x21.3" *** nominal similar overall to KAPEX top p/n 49554
31"x29" *** similar to MFT-800 p/n 488565

if anyone has one the *** FESTOOL products to verify the dimension  accuracy that would be helpful - PM me with your field measurements.
We hope these offerings will help some of you along with a review list of CNC shops over time who have produced satisfactory work
Hans
info@tsoproducts.com

 

[Holmz]

... Since then, I sprung for the LR-32 system and I would probably use that if I did not have the Parf Guide system. So in sequence, if anyone intends to make tops and eventually get the LR-32 system, then go for that and make tops with it. ...

OK Brother I have another question.

What are the pointers in using the LR-32 approach?
Do one row and then do a 'normal' to that? or do you strike a normal line and use spacers to get the rail parallel and do a second row with it falling on "the normal line" (aligned on the column)?

 

[antss]

The little guy that buys an Origin for thousands$$ because he gives up after a ridiculous quote for a top with holes drilled in it , is just lazy or ignorant, or both.

A couple of hundred bucks for a top makes everyone happy, and it's not that difficult to find a shop to do it for that.

Even Peter's gizmo is a more sensible alternative.

 

[Holmz]

The little guy that buys an Origin for thousands$$ because he gives up after a ridiculous quote for a top with holes drilled in it , is just lazy or ignorant, or both.

A couple of hundred bucks for a top makes everyone happy, and it's not that difficult to find a shop to do it for that.

Even Peter's

I might be lazy AND ignorant...  [eek] Just not stupid enough to drop the $1000.  [big grin]

 

[Bohdan]

OK Brother I have another question.

What are the pointers in using the LR-32 approach?
Do one row and then do a 'normal' to that? or do you strike a normal line and use spacers to get the rail parallel and do a second row with it falling on "the normal line" (aligned on the column)?

As long as you don't mind some extra holes in your top.

The first requirement is to have an oversize square panel, its size is not critical so keep triming until square.

Then you set the LR32 rail with a stop and run a row of 5 mm holes down both sides with the rail stop at one edge.

Place 2 x 5 mm pins in two oposite stops to line up the rail with the rail stop against the panel and bore your first row of 20 mm holes.

Move the pins to the next set of 5 mm holes etc.

If the extra 5 mm holes upset your OCD trim them off and you have an accurate panel for only a few hours work.

 

[Cheese]

The little guy that buys an Origin for thousands$$ because he gives up after a ridiculous quote for a top with holes drilled in it , is just lazy or ignorant, or both.

It's all about matching the most expedient fabrication methods for small quantities vs production quantities, sometimes you need that CNC...sometimes you need the Origin. There's a market for both.

 

[Svar]

The little guy that buys an Origin for thousands$$ because he gives up after a ridiculous quote for a top with holes drilled in it , is just lazy or ignorant, or both.
A couple of hundred bucks for a top makes everyone happy, and it's not that difficult to find a shop to do it for that.
Even Peter's gizmo is a more sensible alternative.

It's a strawman fallacy.
Of course, one would not buy a $2K tool to make one MFT top. Hovewer, if you anticipate occasional small unique jobs, $2K for not dealing with production shop is a sensible proposition. I thougth it was pretty obvious from the statement.

 

[CrazyLarry]

I've made tops using both the LR32 (it works but it's a bit slow, a little wasteful with offcuts and more room for errors) and with the PGS ( simple, fast, accurate, inexpensive)

Unless you already have an LR32 I'd go with the PGS - you can also use it for drilling 96 centered holes in jig bases so they line up on dogs, sometimes quicker and more stable than clamping.

 

[HappyCamper]

Glad you chimed in after having tried out both systems.  I ordered the one from Axminster in England ( I'm on Vancouver Island) and it came in about a week if that.  I considered buying all the Festool bits, but while I have a OF1010 router I would have needed the holey rail, plus the router bit, plus the guide plate.  The basic set up would have come to $488, while the Axminster, with an extra bit, came  to $254.  I did wonder if I should have gone that Festool route, but now I am happy I did not given I had no real need for this equipment other than to make an MFT style top.

These are Canadian prices as you can see we are suffering from the low relative value of our dollar.  [sad]

 

[Klemm]

I'm looking for an easier solution...i.e., hire a CNC company to make one (I'd like one that is about 3' x 6').  Anyone in the Chicago area know of a company that would do this?  Ideally I'd like to have them make 5 holes (19.8mm, 19.9, 20.0, 20.1, 20.2) on a test piece and see which one fits my Parf dogs the best.

FastCap is coming out with an option to buy a 3' by 6' plywood top with 20mm holes (as well as an opening for a router).  It's the top they are offering for their Paulk workbench.  It sounds great, but my concerns would be the quality of the plywood and the sizing of the holes (as well as the $180 shipping cost...maybe they will send some to Woodcraft or Berlands House of Tools?)

we have the answer for you - in Chicago, no less.
Go tohttps://tsoproducts.com/plans-drawings/ and download our free plans and DXF files for our dwg nr 610-192 A  for the 3x6 ft top and send it to eric@bridgewaterstudio.net BRIDGEWATER STUDIO for CNC  machining. They just completed a 4x8 ft top for well under $ 200.oo including material and procurement using phenolic skinned plywood. They used our DXF files on theri CNC router.
email us with questions - we'll have more on our website shortly
Hans
info@tsoproducts.com

 

[Mr_Mod]

It nice that someone has spent their time and resources producing all those drawings on potential worktop sizes, however i found a mistake in all of them. They are all in that old measurement called imperial with no metric insight.

Would there be any chance you could make revisit them and have them with dual measurements?

 

[Klemm]

[member=20220]Mr_Mod[/member] your wish is our command we have added your request to the list of engineering tasks.
DO me a favor: are you planning to use a CNC router or how do you plan to make them?

Hans
info@tsoproducts.com

 

[Mario Turcot]

Can someone confirm if this bit will work to make a MFT top using the OF 1400 and the LR32 guide

20mm Right Hand Hinge Boring bit

Thanks, Mario