A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review

[peter halle]

I received a product soon to be released to the market and was asked for my thoughts on it.  Let's get the disclosure stuff out of the way right now.  I did not solicit getting this product.  I am not an investor or related in anyone who is involved.  I get no compensation in any way but I get to keep the square.  If that bothers you now that I have disclosed that then...

The square I received may be different than what will ultimately be released.  It does have a patent pending.  I do not know what the retail price will be.

But until I get a chance to put together video segments shot, here is a teaser about what makes it different in my mind from my kitchen counter:



Peter

 

[Billedis]

Looks interesting.  Thanks for sharing Bill

 

[ear3]

Interesting.  We'll see what comes of it.  I could see potential issues of deforming the soft aluminum every time it locks down.  Even slight deformations will result in out of square cuts.

 

[peter halle]

Interesting.  We'll see what comes of it.  I could see potential issues of deforming the soft aluminum every time it locks down.  Even slight deformations will result in out of square cuts.

Ed,  curious about your comment.  Which aluminum do you think will deform?  The square?  The track?  The bearing area of the square to the side of track is about 5.75 inches.

I have nothing to do with the manufacturer or the sales of this square so these questions are just for knowledge.

Peter

 

[Klemm]

Interesting.  We'll see what comes of it.  I could see potential issues of deforming the soft aluminum every time it locks down.  Even slight deformations will result in out of square cuts.

I have had the opportunity to use this new square extensively.
not visible in Peter,s video clip: the square is not a flat plate . It has a raised surface that backs up the the track edge for about six inches so the clamping action simply holds two pieces of metal together which are already up against each other. The guide rail tracks are not soft. they are heat treated, probably to a T5 or T6 temper, or you would not able to keep them straight in normal use. stay tuned for more details.

 

[Cheese]

I wouldn't worry about any rail damage as that is just a simple over center spring clamp that doesn't provide a lot of "track bending power."
http://www.southco.com/en-ca/97

 

[peter halle]

I wouldn't worry about any rail damage as that is just a simple over center spring clamp that doesn't provide a lot of "track bending power."
http://www.southco.com/en-ca/97

Rainy day today.  I checked the clamp on the one I have and it is a Southco.

Peter

 

[rmwarren]

That's brilliant! I was fiddling around with a square last year but never came up with a method of attaching to the rail that I really liked. Kudos to the designer!

RMW

 

[ear3]

I was thinking about the track, but based on others comments I guess it wouldn't be an issue?

Interesting.  We'll see what comes of it.  I could see potential issues of deforming the soft aluminum every time it locks down.  Even slight deformations will result in out of square cuts.

Ed,  curious about your comment.  Which aluminum do you think will deform?  The square?  The track?  The bearing area of the square to the side of track is about 5.75 inches.

I have nothing to do with the manufacturer or the sales of this square so these questions are just for knowledge.

Peter

 

[rmwarren]

Assuming the "hook" is pressing the side wall of the slot against the square there should not be any tendency to twist the AL making up the slot. If it is pulling on the lip of the slot then there might be some potential bend it slightly. I think it will depng on how far the hook extends into the slot. Hope this makes sense.

RMW

I was thinking about the track, but based on others comments I guess it wouldn't be an issue?

Interesting.  We'll see what comes of it.  I could see potential issues of deforming the soft aluminum every time it locks down.  Even slight deformations will result in out of square cuts.

Ed,  curious about your comment.  Which aluminum do you think will deform?  The square?  The track?  The bearing area of the square to the side of track is about 5.75 inches.

I have nothing to do with the manufacturer or the sales of this square so these questions are just for knowledge.

Peter

 

[Klemm]

thanks for the interest and comments regarding our new GRS-16 Guide Rail Square.
Look for our own video and complete details on the story in a post following the 4th of July weekend with the launch of production shipments.
We've moved from being a FESTOOL user to accessory developer and manufacturer as part of our business serving tradespeople who use our products in their line of work. A reason to change our status to "RETAILER" and our "handle" to the business name: "TSO Products" - but my nickname is still "Klemm".
Have a great 4th of July Holiday wherever you are!
see you next week on the FOG
Klemm

 

[Klemm]

our plan to go live with video and information about our new GRS-16 "5-second" Guide Rail Square was put on hold by a major MICROSOFT OFFICE 365 Exchange Online problem.
We have been running our business on OFFICE 365 for a good number of years and this is the first time that we have been effectively shut down and now more than a week.
We have Product ready to ship, a video and text to explain it but are still waiting for our online capability to come back online.
Last night MS said they "have 79% of the fix deployed"  and "expected to complete within 48 hours"

thanks for bearing with us!

 

[scottie]

Just watched your product video:
Looks incredible!
I was sad to miss the woodpecker's one-time square. Now I'm glad I did.

 

[rmwarren]

Awesome design! I ordered one, looking forward to using it, much easier than the setup I was fiddling with.

I assume you limited the length specifically so it will fit in a systainer, which makes sense, As a suggestion, I would prefer a longer one to improve accuracy, and would pay a premium for it.

Good luck, doubtless there will be tons of demand.  [thumbs up]

RMW

 

[dalep]

I just ordered one too, looking forward to using it

Regards

Dale

 

[Wooden Skye]

Very good design.  I may have to add to the wish list.

 

[peter halle]

I grabbed my square out and a full sheet of plywood.  Using my Starrett carpenter square which has been tested for square the plywood was amazingly square.  Then using the square to set my distance I tried it out this blue rail square using the 2700 rail and the 1400 rail.  Using the long rail it is a bit of a wrestling match due to the sticky rubber strip on the bottom of the rail.  I was able to get consistently to within 1/16" of square at 96".  Grabbing a speed square on the other end it was so quick to adjust.  Using a 1400 rail it was nuts on every time.  I believe that to be due to the foam on the plywood - not the accuracy of the square.

Now what I want is one made in a mirror image so that it could be installed on the other end of the rail and then quickly slid into place to square the other end when using a long rail.  As quickly as they adjust it would really cut down on the rail adjusting dance - if you know what I mean.

They are ruggedly built.  Last week I was going to shoot a video (OOPS) while at work and I placed the square and a short section of rail on the trunk of my wife's car so that I could open the van door.  I then got distracted and went off to work.  I discovered on the job that I didn't have what I needed for the video.  RATS!.  When I came home my wife asked me to run to the grocery store - 16 miles round trip.  I took her car.  The next morning I noticed the rail on her trunk (it stayed there for 16 miles at speeds up to 65 MPH).  [thumbs up] The square was out in the street.  [eek] Anodizing a little messed up on the corners but otherwise OK.  [big grin]

Peter

 

[Wooden Skye]

They are ruggedly built.  Last week I was going to shoot a video (OOPS) while at work and I placed the square and a short section of rail on the trunk of my wife's car so that I could open the van door.  I then got distracted and went off to work.  I discovered on the job that I didn't have what I needed for the video.  RATS!.  When I came home my wife asked me to run to the grocery store - 16 miles round trip.  I took her car.  The next morning I noticed the rail on her trunk (it stayed there for 16 miles at speeds up to 65 MPH).  [thumbs up] The square was out in the street.  [eek] Anodizing a little messed up on the corners but otherwise OK.  [big grin]

Peter

Peter,
Now this would have made for a great video, and a testimonial to the fact clamping the rail is optional!

 

[Michael Kellough]

I just ordered one too, looking forward to using it

Regards

Dale

How did you do that. There seems to be only one obscure (to me) way to pay.

 

[waho6o9]

http://tsoproducts.com/tools-equipment/grs-16-guide-rail-square/