A Review of the Kreg Deck Jig Concealed Fastening System

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A Review of the Kreg Deck Jig Concealed Fastening System

A couple of days ago I had an opportunity to spend a day couple of days with the Kreg Deck Jig System.  This is a relatively new product that allows users to install ? ? thru 1? decking with the screws actually being inserted thru the side of the decking.  This approach is similar to that of the fine Kreg pocket hole tools and jigs.  Before I go further, I did not receive this product for evaluation, nor am I receiving compensation for this review.

The kit comes in a sturdy plastic case that is approximately 12? x 9? x 5?.  It has the Kreg logo embossed on both the top and bottom.  Care must be taken to make sure that the latches flip open upwards when you open the box, lest you have to pick up the contents from the ground.  Inside the kit is the blue jig, 2 sets of 3 spacers each ? ?? and 5/16?, a drill bit, a driver bit, 2 stop collars, an allen head wrench, and a sample pack of screws.

Prior to using the jig for the first time a user will need to install the 3 drilling guides using 6 screws and nuts  and the small rubber non skid pads.  The only thing left to do is install and adjust the stop collars on both the driver and the drill bit.  The jig has built in adjustment slots to make sure that this task is easily and accurately performed.

The jig itself is plastic and has three drill guides ? each with a steel insert.  One of the guides is angled left, one right, and one at a 90 degree angle.  Embossed into or onto the jig are dotted lines indicating the centerline of the path of the drill and screw.  The center guide ? the 90 degree one ? is the one normally used.  Each of the angled guides are used either if you run up against an obstruction to the left or right, or if you need to secure a joint over a joist.  The jig is handheld using the significant handle.  This is a deviation from all the other Kreg jigs which use a clamp of some kind.

The jig is different from other Kreg jigs in that it is also used to insert the screws.  The screws are proprietary I believe and have been sized to fit down the same hole in the guides that the drill uses.  This results in an extremely small head size ? slightly smaller than a typical collated strip feed decking screw with a small head, but larger than a trim head screw.  Once you drill the hole for the screw, you insert the screw and switch to the driver, which then uses the hole to guide the screw at the correct angle.  It is interesting that the entire system is designed so that if 2 years from now you need to replace a board in the middle of the deck, you can remove it and replace it without affecting the adjoining boards.

This system is time consuming to use.  Unlike other concealed fastener systems, it requires two fasteners per board per joist.  The jig flexes enough under the weight of a drill that it is possible to mark the adjoining board when drilling and driving the side of the board adjacent to previously installed boards.  The jig moves slightly when drilling even with a gorilla grip on it if you are using the angled guides.  The driver had a tendency to cam out of the screw heads.  Although the screws are not readily visible once installed, the pocket holes are.  Additionally, the waste spirals from the drilling didn?t separate cleanly from the board and required an additional step to clean them up.  I would not recommend this product to a contractor.  A homeowner using this to install their own deck might find it to be a useful product.

On a scale of 1 to 10, this is a 3 for contractors, and a 5 for d.y.i. use in my opinion.

Peter
 
Harry,

It was OK.  I anticipated the time and priced it accordingly.  My deck situation was rare and I did not have many alternatives because of screw length and a rubber roof below.  Customer wrote the check.  It cleared.  Jig kit will probably go into storage with many things never anticipated to be used again.  I did get to use my TDK-12 and T-15 side by side in a product setting.

Anything for the FOG!

Peter
 
Thanks for sharing this Peter.

Peter Halle said:
.... I did get to use my TDK-12 and T-15 side by side in a product setting.

Anything for the FOG!

Peter

Okay, so I'll be expecting a thread comparing the two Festool drills anytime now. Hay, you said anything for the FOG right.  [big grin]

 
Brice,
[smile] [smile] [smile] [smile] [smile]

There could be a comparison, but it wouldn't be a fair fight.  The T-15 kicks the TDK-12 all over the field.  Not even a fair fight in my observations.  I gave away all my other cordless drills as part of the FOG for Charity contest, and was left with the TDK-12 and the micro Bosch driver.  I love the TDK, but I want to have the T-15's children - metaphorically speaking of course.

Peter
 
Dig out your receipt for that Kreg jig and take it back.  Just tell them it sucked.

If I buy something and it sucks, I take it back.  If they give me a hard time about it, I find a bit of bitching with a slightly raised voice will resolve most issues.
 
Darcy,

That is not my style.  I used it, I made money off of it.  I was able to use my experience to help educate others. 

Priceless!
 
Kreg makes some very good tools and seems to be one of those companies who are really looking to solve problems and make things easier and better quality results.  I saw the deck tool at the JLC show in RI back in March.  The concept seem to be good but the real downside is that unlike other deck tools, the kreg requires you to put the screws in both sides.  All the concealed fasteners are going to add time versus face screwing or nailing but having to screw down both sides with the kreg really will add a lot of time and extra cost in screws.

People can check out the you tube videos of it or some pictures to see the holes that the jig drills out.  To me the type of hole it makes is a problem.  The hole is from the top so it creates a little pocket for water to rot the decking.  So I think this is pretty much designed for synthetic decking only because of the rot problems natural wood would have with this type of pocket.
 
Hi

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, and sorry if I haven't searched the forum properly but...

What would you recommend as the best alternative for securing decking? I have about 320 sq ft do do, and it will probably be hardwood (garapa).

Thanks a lot,
Ian
 
Ianhappy said:
Hi

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, and sorry if I haven't searched the forum properly but...

What would you recommend as the best alternative for securing decking? I have about 320 sq ft do do, and it will probably be hardwood (garapa).

Thanks a lot,
Ian

Might want to look at the Tiger Claw system. 

 
Hi Ian,

Welcome  the FOG!  [smile]

Sorry I can't help , I haven't used any concealed fastening system.

Seth
 
Thanks very much Seth  [big grin]

And thanks for the link sparktrician, I'll look into that - hopefully can find it here in the UK.

Been reading through some of the threads, there's so much helpful advice on here! Can't wait for my Magic Square to arrive  ;D
 
I bought this to install some azek decking.  Your right its very time consuming.    I have not used it anymore.  I personally like EBTY system.  I used it on a ipe deck and the results were great.  It is also slow but faster then the kreg system.  I have not tried the tiger saw system yet.
 
Since this thread is four years old, I'm curious as to whether Kreg has made any changes to the product to make it better and address the issues that Peter experienced?
 
At least the one I used this summer was the same crappy flexing plastic excuse of a jig...  [mad]
 
Not any better.  I used it a couple months ago and bought it from a home center.  It was very disappointing.  It takes way to long to use.  It may be nice for a dyi project.  But not be a tool to make money off of.  Diffently buy some knee pads.  I just saw the tiger claw system at my local lumber yard.  I will be buying it my next decking job.  I have used a lot of fastenmaster products so this should be pretty good. 
 
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