Agazzani No More

[andvari]

This showed up in the other FOG (Felder Owners Group); it sounds like Agazzani are fulfilling existing orders and are then going into liquidation.

Messieurs,

nous vous informons que notre société, mise en liquidation par acte du notaire Caffarri et inscrit dans le registre des sociétés de Modène en date 30/04/2012, est en train de conclure son activité de production de machines à bois en donnant suite aux dernières commandes reçues de ses clients.

Après la livraison de ces commandes, qui aura lieu avant la fin du mois de septembre au plus tard, notre société interrompra definitivement son activité en sortant du marché.

En ce moment très particulier dans la vie de notre société, nous demandons à tous nos partenaires commerciaux avec lesquels nous avons toujours travaillé efficacement et profitablement dépuis longtemps, leur plus haute collaboration afin que cette dernière phase d'activité puisse se dérouler de la meilleure façon et avec le benefice maximum pour tous.

Au moment où notre maison va sortir de scène, nous desirons vous remercier pour la confiance que vous nous avez accordé pendant toutes ces annés de fructueuses rélations commerciales, et vous souhaiter toujours de nouveaux succès.

Pour vote information, nous vous communiquons que la technologie Agazzani, toutefois, ne finira pas avec notre société.

Elle continuera à être présente sur le marché grâce à nos partenaires commerciaux historiques qui irons vous contacter sous peu.

De toute façon, nous restons à votre entière disposition pour n'importe quel éclaircissement et renseignement au sujet et profitons de l'occasion pour vous envoyer nos salutations les plus distinguées.

Les liquidateurs

Campioli Antonia

Bulgarelli Olivo

Gentlemen,

we inform you that our company put into liquidation by deed of Caffarri and entered in the Register of Companies of Modena dated 30/04/2012, is nearing completion of its production of woodworking machinery in responding to past orders received from its customers.

After delivery of these orders, to be held before the end of September at the latest, our company will discontinue its activity definitely coming out of the market.

In this very special moment in the life of our company, we ask all our trading partners with whom we have always worked effectively and profitably for a long time, their utmost cooperation so that this last phase of activity can take place in the best way and with the benefit maximum for all.

As our house is going to leave the stage, we wish to thank you for the trust you have given us during all these years of successful business relationships, and always wish you new successes.

For your information, we inform you that AGAZZANI technology, however, will not end with our company.

It will continue to be present on the market thanks to our historical trading partners who will contact you shortly.

Anyway, we remain at your disposal for any clarification and information about and take this opportunity to send you our best regards.

the liquidators

{ Edited to add translation - Shane }
{ fixed up translation a bit - andvari }

 

[joraft]

... For voting information, we inform you that AGAZZANI technology, however, will not end with our company.

It will continue to be present on the market with our trading partners historical'll contact you shortly.

Sad news. I wonder what this part of the message means.

 

[peter halle]

Selling patents?  Engineering and product development for others? 

It is sad.

Peter

 

[mouppe]

I imagine it means someone will buy the naming rights and perhaps the fabricating machinery and start selling the bandsaws themselves. I am sure we'll see Agazzani bandsaws again a few years.

 

[mouppe]

General in Canada is also closing its "made in Canada" subsidiary this year, and continuing solely with its General International (aka crap made in China) line.

 

[Nigel]

... For voting information, we inform you that AGAZZANI technology, however, will not end with our company.

It will continue to be present on the market with our trading partners historical'll contact you shortly.

Sad news. I wonder what this part of the message means.

'Pour votre ' means ' for your' as in for your information we inform you that........ and has nothing to do with voting or naming rights etc.I think the 'r' was missed.

 

[monte]

I just spoke to Jesse at Eagle Tools,

A clarification, Agazzani is not up for liquidation, the heirs of the founders decided to sell it to a reputable German Manufacturer of Large Tooling.
Jesse will be sending me information on this - that I will be posting.

cheers,
roger

 

[GPowers]

Change is the only constant.

 

[monte]

To dispel any rumors that Agazzani just collapsed onto itself I'm reprinting this letter from Jesse over at Eagle Tools.
It's true that liquidators were called in, but only to move repetitive equipment PANHANS already had in Germany.
I'm reprinting this in another thread under a different title as to cause less alarm.



E A G L E  T O O L S
3027 Treadwell St., Los Angeles, CA  90065            (323) 999-2909      (800) 203-0023

Hi Roger,

In response to your question about Agazzani in Italy:

The reputable German company, PANHANS, has recently purchased AGAZZANI.
For years, Panhans has been the distributor for Agazzani in Germany.
Now Panhans will produce these bandsaws in their own factory along
with the other high quality woodworking machines Panhans has been making
for over 60 years.

http://www.hokubema-panhans.de/

I am encouraged to know that Panhans intends to continue the Agazzani tradition
by building the bandsaws following the original factory materials and specifications.
Panhans personnel spent several days in training in Italy at the Agazzani factory.

Mr. Carlo Agazzani started making bandsaws in Italy in 1938.  After his death,
family members continued to guide the work at Agazzani.  The era of the
family owned Agazzani factory began coming to a close upon the
death of Mr. Carlo Agazzani’s wife, a few months ago.

Note: The old Agazzani factory in Carpi, Italy is being closed (liquidated)
because the manufacturing is being transferred to Germany where Panhans
has their own manufacturing facility.

Jesse Barragan
EAGLE TOOLS

 

[ccmviking]

Thanks for the info Roger.  As an owner of their product I appreciate the information you have provided.

Chris...

 

[richard.selwyn]

Thanks Roger. I posted the letter in French which was a bit obscure. Something was lost in translation from the Italian I expect.
Glad that things will continue with Panhans, it certainly makes a change from shipping production eastwards.
Richard

 

[lambeater]

General in Canada is also closing its "made in Canada" subsidiary this year, and continuing solely with its General International (aka crap made in China) line.

Richard I think you may have misinformation on General International. Their equipment is actually made in Taiwan where they also have their own quality control inspectors working in these factories to ensure that their higher manufacturing standards are kept. Just take a look at the equipment and weights you will notice differences over other off shore manufacturers both in the weight and castings and you might understand. Pulleys and bandsaw wheels are all cast, not cheap aluminium, more webbing in the castings etc. My tool arsinal of General includes, 3hp cabinet saw, large drill press, 24inch dual drum sander, 15" planer, 6" jointer, Floor mounted oscillating spindle sander, edge belt sander, 2hp canister dust collector, air filter mounted on the ceiling and I have NO COMPLAINTS. While I don't work for General I have built a good relationship with there BC Rep and do local warranty repair work for them on large machines which is very rear.
This is one brand I can trust.

thx
Lambeater

 

[nickao]

The Taiwanese make good tools.  

People are misguided saying that it is China in general that make poor quality tools or any item really.

It's actually the fault of the companies that allow the tools and products the Chinese make to be sold. I have some fantastic high quality tools from China. And its all because the American company that contracts the tool to be made only specifies and accepts a certain quality.

So instead of blaming China, blame the company that contracts for the tools and gives the Chinese factories poor specifications to match. It's all in the hands of the tool company.  The factories get away with what they are allowed to so they can make the most money and I can't blame them. I can blame the  companies that accept these tools and then allow them to be sold.

Now as far as the Chinese government manipulating currency and changing the rules to have an unfair advantage verse other nations, yeah it's bull crap and the USA probably should not deal with them or let China sell their product here. But the fact remains it is our American companies that are going there and actually American products made by the Chinese that is the huge issue. Maybe US citizens should not deal with these companies. Again, it's the tool or product company, not the Chinese sub contractors that are at fault for the poor products. These US and or Canadian, etc  companies don't have to accept the poor products and they do not have to sell the crap.

I'll say it one more time, it's not the Chinese people or their factories, but the companies(whether American, Canadian, whatever) that use them that are the issue. These companies need to bump up the standards they accept. The Chinese will make what they are contracted to make. I am tired of these companies blaming the Chinese, they need to take responsibility and not use them if its the issue or force the Chinese to get up to standard.  I blame the tool manufacturer!

 

[RONWEN]

The unfortunate aspect (although usually expected) of moving any quality product to anywhere else is the lose of highly skilled workers that don't make the move.  No matter how well documented a product is (even six sigma) there are thousands of "checks" that those skilled workers learned over the years and simply make the necessary response.  Unless the entire Agazzani organisation & plants were picked up with a giant helicopter and set down in the new country (wherever it may be) there will be a period of learning for those new employees.  Principle management is often oblivious to those requirements and expects to deal with a "quality learning curve" which they assume will be no more than a year or two.  Depending how proactive the company is will determine success or failure.  [unsure]

 

[mouppe]

General in Canada is also closing its "made in Canada" subsidiary this year, and continuing solely with its General International (aka crap made in China) line.

Richard I think you may have misinformation on General International. Their equipment is actually made in Taiwan where they also have their own quality control inspectors working in these factories to ensure that their higher manufacturing standards are kept. Just take a look at the equipment and weights you will notice differences over other off shore manufacturers both in the weight and castings and you might understand. Pulleys and bandsaw wheels are all cast, not cheap aluminium, more webbing in the castings etc. My tool arsinal of General includes, 3hp cabinet saw, large drill press, 24inch dual drum sander, 15" planer, 6" jointer, Floor mounted oscillating spindle sander, edge belt sander, 2hp canister dust collector, air filter mounted on the ceiling and I have NO COMPLAINTS. While I don't work for General I have built a good relationship with there BC Rep and do local warranty repair work for them on large machines which is very rear.
This is one brand I can trust.

thx
Lambeater

Fair enough Lambeater, I am not going to argue with your positive GI experience, but my General International tools were all really disappointing and I sold them or gave them away a while ago.

I do agree with Dovetail about Taiwanese goods not being the same as Chinese ones too, but I would place as much responsibility for the poor quality tools available at the feet of the consumer as much as the manufacturer.