Anti-Static 50mm VS. 36mm on Kapex.

[Bucky Trucks]

If the 36mm is the required/suggested size for the Kapex, is there an advantage to going to the 50mm AS hose with the Kapex? Does it collect dust better than the 36mm AS? I'm going to be hooking mine up to a CT-48 when it comes in next week and haven't decided what hose I might buy yet.

 

[Stone Message]

The 50mm will not connect directly to the Kapex as far as I know. I use a shortened length of 36mm especially for the Kapex and it works brilliantly - take a look at my video review of the CTL 26 and you will see.

Peter.

 

[Brice Burrell]

The 50mm will not connect directly to the Kapex as far as I know. I use a shortened length of 36mm especially for the Kapex and it works brilliantly - take a look at my video review of the CTL 26 and you will see.

Peter.

Peter is correct, the D50 won't connect directly to the Kapex.  However, with this adapter piece you can.  One thing to note is the adapter is non-antistatic.  The good news is a regular 2 1/2" shopvac hose will also fit this adapter and your Festool vac if you don't already have a Festool D50 hose. 

 

[Alan m]

i coulnt see the 50mm hose doing any harm. it probably will help a bit . althow you will still need a 36mm hose for your other tools (router,etc). buy both and find out. are you getting a boom arm. the 50mm will come with that

 

[tbellemare]

The 50 mm hose on the boom arm is just to get up the boom. Those hoses are pretty unwieldy to use at any handheld tool in my opinion.

The 36 mm hose does a great job at the Kapex and is more universally useful.

Tom

 

[fletchtool]

The 50 mm hose on the boom arm is just to get up the boom. Those hoses are pretty unwieldy to use at any handheld tool in my opinion.

The 36 mm hose does a great job at the Kapex and is more universally useful.

Tom

I'm just looking for the most appropriate place to comment on the 50mm AS hose. Maybe here maybe not, but here goes....I just purchased the 8'3" 50mm AS hose and it fits great to my Leigh dovetail jig and my Bosch table saw, but not to my 27mm hose from my MIDI nor my OF 1400. If I want to connect to my 27mm hose, I need to purchase a D50/D50 VM-AS connector.  If I want to connect my OF 1400 to the 50mm hose I need to purchase a non AS adaptor (don't know the part number and don't care about it). I find it quite amazing for a product that seems to be extending the hoses that come with CT extractors (if that is it's purpose), does not come complete to do the job. If the reason it does not come with a D50/D50 VM-AS connector is that the customer may not want the hose for that purpose then I only can think the purpose (it doesn't seem to me that Festool really cares about non Festool tools) would be to connect to a Festool tool . But there is no connector for that except a non AS adaptor. An adaptor that fits into not over the tool's dust connector which seems to me restricts the air flow out of the tool just as the exhaust enters the spacious 50mm hose. I am ranting because I am frustrated, because the 50mm hose will work better for my non festool applications than on my OF1400. If I were to buy the 13' or 16' 50mm hose, I would like to hook it directly to a festool tool with a connector just like the other hoses (27mm/36mm) not an adaptor that I need to buy and modify to make it an AS connection. I spent a hour today with the local Lee Valley in house Festool staff member and he shares my frustration. Although suggested above, I do not find it acceptable to suggest buying a new ($170) 36mm hose as a solution for the connection problem. Sorry for the rant,sort of....... I am feeling I am being nickel and dimed with this except they are $20 and $40 at a time.

Now I will sit back and wait for the shots I am going to get for being critical of FESTOOL. Oh, without buying any additional adaptors or connectors I could use the 50mm hose to connect two Festool extractors to each other ..... I have let my frustrations get the best of me, I am sure going to get it now.

Fletchtool

 

[Kev]

The 50 mm hose on the boom arm is just to get up the boom. Those hoses are pretty unwieldy to use at any handheld tool in my opinion.

The 36 mm hose does a great job at the Kapex and is more universally useful.

Tom

I'm just looking for the most appropriate place to comment on the 50mm AS hose. Maybe here maybe not, but here goes....I just purchased the 8'3" 50mm AS hose and it fits great to my Leigh dovetail jig and my Bosch table saw, but not to my 27mm hose from my MIDI nor my OF 1400. If I want to connect to my 27mm hose, I need to purchase a D50/D50 VM-AS connector.  If I want to connect my OF 1400 to the 50mm hose I need to purchase a non AS adaptor (don't know the part number and don't care about it). I find it quite amazing for a product that seems to be extending the hoses that come with CT extractors (if that is it's purpose), does not come complete to do the job. If the reason it does not come with a D50/D50 VM-AS connector is that the customer may not want the hose for that purpose then I only can think the purpose (it doesn't seem to me that Festool really cares about non Festool tools) would be to connect to a Festool tool . But there is no connector for that except a non AS adaptor. An adaptor that fits into not over the tool's dust connector which seems to me restricts the air flow out of the tool just as the exhaust enters the spacious 50mm hose. I am ranting because I am frustrated, because the 50mm hose will work better for my non festool applications than on my OF1400. If I were to buy the 13' or 16' 50mm hose, I would like to hook it directly to a festool tool with a connector just like the other hoses (27mm/36mm) not an adaptor that I need to buy and modify to make it an AS connection. I spent a hour today with the local Lee Valley in house Festool staff member and he shares my frustration. Although suggested above, I do not find it acceptable to suggest buying a new ($170) 36mm hose as a solution for the connection problem. Sorry for the rant,sort of....... I am feeling I am being nickel and dimed with this except they are $20 and $40 at a time.

Now I will sit back and wait for the shots I am going to get for being critical of FESTOOL. Oh, without buying any additional adaptors or connectors I could use the 50mm hose to connect two Festool extractors to each other ..... I have let my frustrations get the best of me, I am sure going to get it now.

Fletchtool

I haven't looked into this myself, but if what you're saying is fact - people can't shoot you down!

I suppose there's a difference between "parts" and "accessories" ... if the 50mm hose is an "accessory kit", it should probably server a purpose - otherwise it should be referred to as a "part".

I'll leave it to the better clued in among us to enlighten  [cool]

 

[tbellemare]

I'm not sure what you're trying to do, Fletch, but my view of the Festool 50mm hoses is largely to extend the range of the 36 mm and 27 mm hoses. This is accomplished (and the antistatic connection maintained) by connecting any of the hoses to a 50 mm hose using the antistatic connector sleeve, 493047.

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This connector maintains the ground and connects two 50 mm ends. Both the 36 mm hoses and the 27 mm hoses come with one each 50 mm end. Of course the 50 mm hose has two 50 mm ends.

Does that help or did I miss something?

Tom

EDIT:

Maybe I should elaborate... The inlet of a Festool CT is 50 mm. Any hose end that plugs into those inlets is 50 mm. The above referenced connector sleeve connects any two of those 50 mm ends. The tool (rubbery) end of any 27 mm or 36 mm hose can be switched to a 50 mm end like the one that plugs into a CT.

The image below shows the 3 different 50 mm connections, one for each size hose. From left to right are the ones for the 50 mm hose, the 36 mm hose, and the 27 mm hose.

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[Kevin Stricker]

Fletch tool, I think you are missing the point of the 50mm hose completely.  It is not a conspiracy against you.  With the exception of a stationary tool like a table saw, it is not designed for connection to tools.  Imagine using a 10ga stiff plug-it for all your Festools, only worse. How would you do any routing with with that thing connected to your 1400?

It would be easy to create a short 36mm or 27mm hose to act as an adaptor, or just be smart and use other options if you are concerned about cost.  As far as the anti-static properties of Festool hoses, I wouldn't have that as your primary concern.  I live where humidity is often in the teens, basically a worst case for static.  Even AS hoses will give me shocks on occasion( the HL 850 is the worst).   I have not seen any appreciable difference in dust collection between my two CT's even though only one has a complete AS system.

Back to the OP, I do not see any particular benefit to running a Kapex with an AS hose, but there are some disadvantages.  Specifically if you are using the CT with other tools it is a pain to switch out the hose, which is typically connected from behind so you are snaking it around to get it free.  Much easier to have a separate hose for the Kapex and just make the switch at the vac.   I like to use a short length of Rigid pro vac hose ( the orange and black one).   Cut it down to a length that suits you and the hose is a perfect fit on the outside of the Kapex dust port.  This will give you better extraction than a full length 36mm AS hose in my experience.  It will also be less intrusive than a 50mm hose and big adaptor when changing the saws angle and bevel. It will also save you about $80 bucks and the short hose will easily fit in your hose garage where the 36mm hose never goes.

 

[fletchtool]

Thanks Kevin and Tom for your comments. I went out to my garage/compacted storage room after I read your posts and took some pictures last night to demonstrate my setup, but as I am relatively new to the FOG I could not be sure I was indeed getting the pictures into my post. I looked at the 2 minute silent video and other posts but when I tried on my PC what came up did not look the same as what I saw in the video. I will try some more this morning so I can respond to you comments with visuals as there is a much greater understanding of words when accompanied with visuals. I am feeling much less frustrated with the situation today, but would still like to show you what I was talking about last night. Thanks.

Fletchtool

 

[fletchtool]

I found the video with sound re posting pictures and now understand.

AS I said above, I went out to my garage and quickly snapped these pictures to demonstrate what I am doing.

Here is my basic dust collection setup with the 27mm hose from my MIDI ready to connect to a tool. I purchased the Anti-Static Y-Piece with Blanking Plug as none of the other connectors I could test at Lee Valley seemed to fit the DD. This works great with the rt angle hose end on the MIDI hose. 

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As I mentioned before, the 50mm hose hooks up well with my Leigh jig, no additional connector required. When is use, I will move the MIDI a little further away to relax the hose a bit and allow me to stand at the router.

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This next picture shows the 50mm hose with the Anti-Static Connector Sleeve that I bought yesterday, because I thought I needed to attach the 50mm hose to my table saw, but I do not need it as the 50mm hose fits the saw just fine.

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This last picture is of the 50mm hose with a 2-1/2" Rectangular Nozzle that I am going to use for attaching the dust collection to the new router table I am making today (I hope).

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My original point had been that I wanted to be able to connect the 50mm hose to my OF1400 allowing for the most airflow possible and thought that there should be a tool connector that would fit directly onto the 50mm hose, not have to fabricate one myself. I have now come to agree with your comments that the 50mm hose will likely be too stiff to do this as out in my cold garage last night the 50mm hose was unwieldy. I don't know if this will change when it gets warmer and straightened out. Thank you for your patience. The FOG is great.

Fletchtool

 

[tbellemare]

I read somewhere one the FOG an apt definition for a 50 mm antistatic hose. Someone called it (or another hose) an "angry anaconda". I would not want to use that hose on a handheld power tool even in my 110-degree garage. It works well as an extender for the other hoses or with stationary situations like you have.

Tom

 

[fletchtool]

I read somewhere one the FOG an apt definition for a 50 mm antistatic hose. Someone called it (or another hose) an "angry anaconda". I would not want to use that hose on a handheld power tool even in my 110-degree garage. It works well as an extender for the other hoses or with stationary situations like you have.

Tom

Hi Tom,
  "angry anaconda",  I can agree with that now that I have held one, a 50mm hose that is.

Fletchtool

 

[monte]

I seem to have a collection of hoses that I use for different purposes on the several ct's I have.
The 36 is the best for the kapex.
The 50 is used as a base extention to make a longer hose.
The 50 is used for a jobsite connection to a portable tablesaw.
The 50 is great for collecting and cleaning after demo work.
(better not to do demo work with a paper bag - better to use the new style bags - even better to use the ultimate dust deputy in conjunction )

 

[tbellemare]

(better not to do demo work with a paper bag - better to use the new style bags - even better to use the ultimate dust deputy in conjunction )

If you're picking up chunks, it doesn't hurt to use the spark trap to knock them out of the flow that would normally hit the bag and potentially puncture it.

Tom

 

[hhh]

==>  I use a shortened length of 36mm especially for the Kapex and it works brilliantly

+1  shortened a 36 to run directly to a mini -- maybe 6 ft.

 

[fletchtool]

I read somewhere one the FOG an apt definition for a 50 mm antistatic hose. Someone called it (or another hose) an "angry anaconda". I would not want to use that hose on a handheld power tool even in my 110-degree garage. It works well as an extender for the other hoses or with stationary situations like you have.

Tom

Hi Tom or anyone, Is there anyway to reduce the curl of the 50mm AS hose? I am not expecting to make the 50mm supple, I would just like to get as much of the curl out of it as possible so as to reduce the constant tension the curl in the hose creates (Tame the anaconda so to speak). I have it lying in the house with a straight rod in it near a heat source right now, is this just a waste of time? Thanks for any ideas.

Fletchtool

 

[tbellemare]

That should help, Fletch.

I hang my hoses when not in use and it seems to take out some of the curl.

Tom

 

[greg mann]

That should help, Fletch.

I hang my hoses when not in use and it seems to take out some of the curl.

Tom

Tom uses a heat source too. His Garage!  ;D

 

[tbellemare]

You got that right, Greg!

Tom