Any one going Windows 7?

Nick,

I'm a PC "baby" still learning to crawl and occasionally to walk using VISTA.  From the overview hyperlinks provided on the left side of the main display screen, it looks to me as if the MS software developers are moving even more toward the user interfaces that Apple uses than in VISTA.  The MS software code may be quite different from that of Apple, but what the user sees on his display and how he interacts with that display seems to me to be getting closer to what my son's iMac already has and does.  In my opinion, if MS pulls this off well, and the new OS is more stable and secure against the bad guys on the internet, then they have achieved a major improvement and accomplishment.  But I am not going to be a beta tester.  PCs frustrate me as they now are, I don't need another challenge in using them.  Learning a few basic SketchUp skills is enough for now.

Dave R.
 
Go MAC and don't look back....  Vista is a commercial failure IMHO with many companies not even going to it and now they will want them to go to Windows 7...

That is the beauty of Windows...there is so many versions and variations of it...

Todd
 
Anyone going Windows 7?

You mean Vista SP3, correct?  I mean, are they really going to claim this is a new OS?  Very few changes.  Maybe I will try it...don't know yet.
 
I'm still using XP and have been reluctant to "upgrade" to Vista because of the bad press.  I suppose it remains to be seen if Windows 7 is a significant improvement.  Historically I wait until the first SP is released before I switch to a new version of Windows.  That means I'm at least 18 monts from seriously considering Windows 7.  If I need to buy a new computer in that time frame, I'll have a decision to make.
 
Windows 7 has been rock solid. It is great so far!

The best thing is if a program will not work it just tells you ahead of time and deos not load a bad program(at least so far on my system).

I notice a snappier response right away.

You must remember this is really a complete overhaul. I wouldn't try it unless you have a newer system though. It supposedly is better than Vista on weak systems, but I am not sure of that. I stay pretty much on the leading edge of computer equipment.

I hate Explorer, but explorer 8 is pretty cool with Windows 7 and loads SO fast.

I think this Windows 7 is a winner.

One thing, Firefox seems to take even longer to load, once loaded works well.
 
All day I have been using windows 7 and I just can not comment on how much snappier the response from surfing the web to just looking for a file is and I loved Vista!
 
I have Windows XP on several of my machines, and Vista or Vista 64 on several others.

All of these work without incident.

I'll see about switching one of my notebook machines to Windows 7, and take it for a spin.
 
nickao said:
All day I have been using windows 7 and I just can not comment on how much snappier the response from surfing the web to just looking for a file is and I loved Vista!

Nick, what type of machine are you using (processor, memory).  When you say snappier, what do you mean?  I know that it starts much faster (when turning the pc on) and probably IE 8 loads fast (like Chrome).  Actually, this is a bit of a trick.  They load some code really fast so that it looks like the program is up and running.  By the time you've clicked on something, the rest of the program has loaded.  To the user though, I agree that it seems fast.  My machine is about 2 years old and I haven't really had a problem with speed per se.  Stability...yes.  The graphics driver crashes often but it reloads itself (this is new to Vista...in the past, this was guaranteed to cause a BSD).

By FAR the biggest improvement I've made to the PC was getting a 30" LCD.  Since this is the Festool forum, everyone must be rich, right (LOL).  So, try a 30" and you'll never go back.  I guarantee that. 
 
The only reason I have VISTA is that was all Dell was offering when I needed a new laptop PC about 2 years ago, and that machine needed to be able to process the many documents and other files coming from my employer who had standardized on XP and all MS software applications.  So a Mac was not a good choice for me then, and would have cost much more to get limited compatability.  I bought a Dell because they were the only company who would provide me a machine without a glossy (read glare everywhere in every user situation) display screen.  (Why the market has accepted those displays I also have never understood.  The color and resolution are excellent, but the glare is constant, unless you're working in a cave with dry walls.)  I had to pay a slight premium for that screen, but am very glad I did.  Most other PC makers were pushing VISTA at that time, too, excepting Apple, of course, and close-out machines with XP.  I would have chosen XP if it was available to me at that time.  Unlike many members of FOG, I am not saavy regarding PCs and software, etc.  I couldn't even take or post a digital photo until a couple of months ago.  I still have not been able to setup Mozilla Firefox to work correctly -- still no photos and no videos. In contrast IE does work, reliably.  VISTA lets you know if the program you're about to download is compatible, too.  The main problems I have had with VISTA is MS' ever increasing list of security updates.  Some of those "automatic updates" knock out various System32 drivers, resulting in my PC no longer booting until I insert the factory installation disk and go through a reload and repair.  That has happened often enough that I now know how to do it myself. And VISTA is a huge DRAM hog compared to XP, for no increase in real world speed in most operations.  My PC with 2GB of RAM and essentially no software applications and a core-duo Intel CPU has always been slower to boot up than the Dell PC my employer provided running XP with only 500MB of RAM and a much slower, non core-duo CPU.  VISTA also buries most of what is going on, and makes it harder to do maintenance or setups compared to XP.  I wholly agree with those who opine that VISTA is a failure, as it should be.  MAC.... maybe next time.  But they are no without problems, either.  My daughter has a Mac lapto and my son has a Mac desktop.  Both have had some problems.  Her machine totally failed and needed replacement of the HD within the first year.  My son's machine had a total software/OS crash within the first year, but has been fine since reloading, which took a couple of days with many calls to Apple.  So which is better?  The jury is still out within my family, but leaning toward Apple Mac.

Dave R.
 
Fred I have read so many, many, many disappointed Apple fans of late.

The Apple's latest offerings are crap and that is not from me, but thousands of people all over the Apple enthusiast forums. Straight from the hard line Apple enthusiasts.

Vista may have had some compatibility issues for some, never for me, but it was a beautiful looking Operating system.

And 7 so far is much better I just can not believe how snappy it is!.

I have come into one minor glitch with 7 today, it is not recognizing my wireless printer, but I am sure it just changed a setting somewhere. It is a beta after all.
 
I'm writing now on a 6 year old Mac Laptop that has had zero problems. I used to have windows computers, but got tired of all the problems I was having. We finally switched all the computers in our house to Macs last year, wife and kids. Five iMacs and now my wife and I spend so much less time trouble shooting our kids computers. Just before we got rid of our last PC, I went on it and all these windows kept popping up "zone alarm alert" "virus scan alert" etc, it was not a pleasant experience. Our Macs just work, all the time. And the interface is simple and elegant.

One reviewer a year or two ago wrote something to the effect that 5 or 6 years ago if you bought a Mac you had some explaining to do and now if you buy a PC you have some explaining to do. That stuck in my mind because, due to my own experience, it rings true to me.

 
Dave,

I don't use Windows or an Apple...

The operating system I use is secret, it's still under development and was given to me absolutely free by the nice folks developing it.

They also have a complete Office suite which is so compatible with MS office that I can swap files with them without them even knowing I'm not using MS products (That was given to me free too).

It's never crashed, hasn't needed rebooting in almost a year now.

Has never had any kind of error at all.

So sophisticated I could try it out and play with it on my computer before I installed it!

I didn't need to know a darn thing about my computer, on installing it figured out all the details and drivers for me.

I decided I needed a project planning package yesterday - wanted one just like MS Project (which is the only one I had used before) so I shopped around (From the comfort of my computer) found one I liked......

10 minutes later it's installed (Yes, it was free too) works like a charm (and looks and feels just like MS project - I wouldn't know it was a different package if not for the price and hassle (or lack of).

no license keys to keep track of...

No cost for software or operating systems or upgrades (upgrades BTW come free, regularly)

No added delays while the system checks for viruses (virii??) - 'cause it's pretty much bomb proof.

System is so sound it's the standard used in the CERN colider - in fact the only operating system that could drive the grid of 40,000 pc's that will process the 15 million terabytes of information the experiment will generate each year.

Also the OS used in the world's 10 most powerful supercomputers.

Ain't I lucky to have such neat contacts?

I'll introduce you if you like, they're a great bunch of guys - they'll happily answer any question that might ever come up (also free)

My apologies to all you Windows fans out there - I'm sure you all have really good reasons for still using that magnificent system (I just can't think of a single one at the moment, though)

 
Thanks, Steve.  That would be wonderful.  Would I thereafter become responsible for any crash of the CERN collider computer control system?  Is it linux based?  I know nothing about Linux.  I am using Open Office's suite and it works well.  I found I am able to open text documents prepared way back in 1991 using DOS Word Perfect with little loss of formatting as well as any MS Word documents.

Dave R.
 
Dave,

Yes it's a variation (or distribution) of Linux called Ubuntu.

It's just easier to use, nice touches like any window my cursor is over scrolls with the mouse wheel (you have to click in a window with windows before you can scroll it) to paste you press (click) the wheel in any window - Its actually more consistent in look and feel than windows software (at least all the stuff I've tried is).

When I get an urge for a new package or game I click on "Applications/Add Remove" and it lists all available software and lets me pick one (or more).

all free!

A little bit of a learning curve - But more intuitive than windows, (for example you don't press a button marked "Start" to shut down). In fact on my system there is a tiny light switch icon top-left of the screen to turn it off.
It seems to not suffer from programs being able to crash the system like windows does. not that all programs are perfect, I've had them lock up on me, but so far I've always been able to kill them without re-booting the system.

I have actually had to re-boot, but only because an upgrade has required it.

The support is great, any time I've had a question (about using some software or new hints and tricks) they're all available on the user forums, kinda like FOG when you come up with a question, you're usually not the first, and can find the answer - and if you can't, post the question and someone will respond pretty quickly.

And you can't crash CERN (I assume)  - but oddly enough if you run Linux you can share in the fun and share computer time on your own computer by "donating" computer time to CERN (presuming they ever fire the thing up, I guess).

And like I said before, if you get curious you can download a CD image of the installation disk - and boot from it - It won't change anything on your computer, but you can boot Ubuntu and play with it - actually use it and the software packages included - it makes no changes to your computer until you decide you want to keep it - and even then you can keep all the Windows OS and software, make your machine dual-boot and have the best of both worlds.

Steve

 
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