Anybody know where I can get a user guide for PS 2E jigsaw?

jcrowe1950

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Hi Folks,

    My first Festool purchase was at the end of 2003, a Festool PS 2E jigsaw which I have not used nearly enough. In the interim, Festool has moved on to more capable jigsaws and I would like to have any documentation for my old jigsaw that would help me take advantage of all of its capabilities. I must admit though that the Carvex's capabilities are really tempting. Thanks in advance for any pointers. [eek]
 
jcrowe1950 said:
I might need to upgrade to a Carvex to get the latest features from Festool.

The one festool purchase I really regret is the Carvex 420. I would suggest you look at a Maffell P1 cc instead, it's an absolutely superior machine in every regard:

 
Gregor said:
jcrowe1950 said:
I might need to upgrade to a Carvex to get the latest features from Festool.

The one festool purchase I really regret is the Carvex 420. I would suggest you look at a Maffell P1 cc instead, it's an absolutely superior machine in every regard:


  While I appreciate your pointers, Mafell does not have the support in the U.S. that Festool has. Since my demands are not that challenging and I don't really need to upgrade at this point, another jigsaw is far down the list. Again thanks.

JC
 
Gregor said:
jcrowe1950 said:
I might need to upgrade to a Carvex to get the latest features from Festool.

The one festool purchase I really regret is the Carvex 420. I would suggest you look at a Maffell P1 cc instead, it's an absolutely superior machine in every regard:



    I am going to go out on a limb and speculate that many people have had issues with the Carvex from possible problems with setup. I had the opportunity to have a demo of the battery powered Carvex this week and it excelled in a number of areas....smooth cuts, accurate cuts, deep crosscuts, three dimensional notching (that one was really impressive), plunge cuts and extreme curves. I will attempt to duplicate the demos at work as time permits and perhaps even post some photos. In my experience, setting the blade guide properly and using a splinter guard correctly really helps, especially for efficiency and smoothness of surface cuts. The plunge cut was into 19mm red oak plywood and took advantage of that plunge cut tooth at the bottom of the carvex blade..the extreme curve cut used a regular 75mm carvex blade and consisted of cutting about a 3/4" (19mm) circle (teardrop). The walls of the cut were smooth and square but there was a little burning. What I am calling a 3D notch consisted of taking a 12/4 (~75mm) square piece of walnut stock and measuring and marking the depth of the blade when fully extended onto all three faces of the stock. Then the cut was made on all three faces and the resulting excavation was pretty close to a perfect cube. The walls were square and smooth. The cross cutting demo was also in a piece of 12/4 walnut, both straight and curved cuts, and there was no issue with power or performance. The cuts were again square and smooth. If you still have your Carvex, I'd encourage you to download supplemental information for setup and operation. The Carvex does use a brushless motor and there are some methods of work (like most things Festool) that are not obvious by just running the tool. Thanks, Gregor, for your response and I hope you will consider playing more with your Carvex.
P.S. - the Carvex dust collection is not great but it's a jigsaw. It does collect some of the dust, but jigsaws are messy tools.
 
Just to echo what Gregor's thoughts are...I own a Carvex, a Trion and a P1 cc. The Carvex is absolutely the worst of the bunch. I purchased the Trion first and thought I was upgrading when I spent the extra $$ for the Carvex. I was wrong.

The Trion is a really nice saw and if Festool offered it in cordless form, I'd snap it right up. I really want to go cordless but not with the Carvex.

As far as dust collection goes, here's a quick test I ran cutting some 1/2" thick ply. I used the CT 22 on each saw, made the cut and took the photo. The order is Carvex_Trion_Mafell

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jcrowe1950 said:
My first Festool purchase was at the end of 2003, a Festool PS 2E jigsaw which I have not used nearly enough. In the interim, Festool has moved on to more capable jigsaws

That fact is very much debatable. I've heard quite a few people say that Festool's newer jigsaws with all their bells and whistles can't match the PS2's rugged, old fashioned simplicity.

 
When the PS400 came out I quickly bought a Trion because I expected it to go EOL. It's the only Festool (that I own anyway) that was dropped in price. You can still buy it new.

As for the dust collection photo above, [member=44099]Cheese[/member] ; is that with the Trion hood fitted in the front?
 
Coen said:
As for the dust collection photo above, [member=44099]Cheese[/member] ; is that with the Trion hood fitted in the front?

No it's not [member=8955]Coen[/member] as I prefer using the Trion without the hood. I'd expect it to perform a little better when it's installed.
 
My Carvex PSC420 has not impressed me. Maybe I've not given it a chance and taken the time to learn to use it in the past year  but I find myself going back to my old Bosch 1590EVS. I know what to expect there and it seems to perform just as well and Bosch blades are very good.

Don't see how operating the Carvex can be that much different than any other jigsaw and it's not a tool in any brand that I would consider for precision cutting.

So the Carvex gathers dust, or more correctly the Systainer that holds the Carvex gathers dust as it's rarely used. The batteries I use with the TSC55.
 
Bob D. said:
My Carvex PSC420 has not impressed me. Maybe I've not given it a chance and taken the time to learn to use it in the past year  but I find myself going back to my old Bosch 1590EVS. I know what to expect there and it seems to perform just as well and Bosch blades are very good.

Don't see how operating the Carvex can be that much different than any other jigsaw and it's not a tool in any brand that I would consider for precision cutting.

So the Carvex gathers dust, or more correctly the Systainer that holds the Carvex gathers dust as it's rarely used. The batteries I use with the TSC55.

    I'll get back to you folks once I've developed a demo for this tool. I have owned a number of barrel style jigsaws including an old Bosch. What all of the jigsaws from Festool have that the Bosch did not have is/was the carbide guides that help with blade drift and of course the splinterguard that facilitates smoother cuts. Setting those up is not difficult but it really does help and the cuts I've done so far have been perfectly square. I will have more to report in a few weeks, hopefully with photos to illustrate the features. Meanwhile, enjoy yourselves. BTW, I finally got to try the TSC55 with both batteries and was suitably impressed.....I have the corded version and the TSC55 at 36V seems equally capable.

P.S. - one thing I will note is that if one is doing radical curves, it does tend to wear out splinterguards rapidly, but that's not an operation commonly done with a jigsaw except to prove it can be done. Regular curves work fine. A lot of the people who use the Carvex in our area use it upside down for coping, a technique I have not mastered. As always, YMMV.
 
jcrowe1950 said:
I'll get back to you folks once I've developed a demo for this tool.
Problem isn't so much that I'm too stupid to use it, problem is that the PS420 is sub-par from a technical standpoint.

Compare the angle tables of the PS420 and the P1cc: the Festool one is a complete joke in comparison to the Mafell one with a contact surface to the workpiece of less than that of a small bratwurst and no way to do an angle cut with the PS420 using a rail from the company that fucking invented the concept of the track saw?

When that's not enough then look at how the PS420 tends to heat up (and through that wear out) the blades as of the 'support' brackets and the roller (and no, I don't adjust them too tight because the only way to not get heat from friction is to not have physical contact between the blade and the roller/guides) - while a P1cc even accepts the blades in reverse for a pulling cut at a higher accuracy than a Festool one in normal operation.

Developing a better demo for the Festool PS420 dosn't cut it after one realized that the only smart choice left is to go and replace it with a machine that is (together with the accessories) constructed in a way that it's actually able to perform the functions at a precision for which it makes sense to put in more than 10 Euros into a plunge saw purchase.
 
Ya, I don't mean to rain on your parade jcrowe1950 but I've been down this path before and the results are not pretty. I have attempted to put a full radius edge on a cedar 2 x 4 and the blade sucked in 3/8" and also produced a tapered cut line to compound the situation.
The Carvex was the worst and actually only equalled the cut quality of the Milwaukee jig saw I was trying to upgrade from.

So to put it succinctly, the Milwaukee was truly horrific, I then purchased the Trion to upgrade the performance, I consequently purchased the Carvex because I thought it was an upgrade from the Trion but that was a definite misnomer on my part so I moved to the Mafell.

So my personal ratings of the jig saws I've owned:
1. Mafell P1 cc
2. Festool Trion
3. Milwaukee
4. Festool Carvex...other than the Led's this saw has nothing going for it.

I can't seem to locate any photos of the Carvex results but they were truly horrific. When cutting 2x cedar material the Carvex should produce better results than this.

The real test is a continuous radius, cutting straight lines or short curves does not tax the capabilities of the saw. Put the saw into a death spiral and then measure the saw cuts perpendicularity. It will become obvious.
 
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