Anyone use/have used a Collins Coping Foot on their jigsaw?

Ed Bray

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I am thinking of buying a Collins Coping Foot to put on my Metabo corded jigsaw as I am putting my house back to original spec which means fitting a lot of picture rails, chair rails and large skirting.

Has anyone actually used a Collins Coping Foot on a jigsaw for making scribe joints? If so, how did you find it?
 
I bought one for the carvex from toolvation. After a bit of practice it's a very quick and easy way to cut scribes. I use the Festool blades and find they go round the corners effectively. I tried thinner Bosch blades thinking I would get better accuracy but they where harder to control. I now get very accurate tight fitting scribes.
Have you seen the scribe master pro? Expensive but very accurate and quick and will scribe two different profiles into each other.
 
Thanks for the info. The scribe master pro looks the business, maybe a little too expensive for my needs at the moment, still, I'm seriously considering it. If I do get it I'll post a review.
 
Scribe master pro is that the Trend pile of dung ?

Looks more like a DIY tool I can't see why people can't use a jigsaw or coping saw like we've always done. I can probably cut a scribe in a few seconds that's fast enough for me.

I bet the cutters don't last long as they look thin and usually when I scribe you quite often slant the bottom of  the scribe out because the previous skirting is leaning back because of the plaster.
 
joiner1970 said:
Scribe master pro is that the Trend pile of dung ?

Looks more like a DIY tool I can't see why people can't use a jigsaw or coping saw like we've always done. I can probably cut a scribe in a few seconds that's fast enough for me.

I bet the cutters don't last long as they look thin and usually when I scribe you quite often slant the bottom of  the scribe out because the previous skirting is leaning back because of the plaster.

Have you tried the Trend or are you just supposing? My efforts at scribing with a coping saw have not been great, will try with a Jigsaw tomorrow, but if that isn't good too I will buy the Trend thing as you call it, anything that dumbs down the skill needed is worth it to me, hence why I bought a Domino, can I cut a mortice and tenon, yes. but its slow and not always as accurate as I would like. The Domino therefore is useful to me for that reason.

I have a lot of scribe joints to do, if the Trend jig works well (seems to in the youtube videos) and can give me quick, accurate repeatable results then it will have served it's purpose regardless of whether you can cut a scribe in double quick time with a coping saw or jigsaw, unfortunately, you are not me and I want to get a good result with the minimum of wasted wood and time than I would probably need to achieve them by other means. Seems to have adjustable options for back cutting and out of square walls.

If I was to be flippant, I could ask why you use any jig or power tool? Why don't you use the tools they used to use, use a mitre block and hand saw instead of a SCMS, use a hammer and loose nails instead of a nailer, a sanding block instead of a powered sander or a broom or dustpan and brush instead of a dust extractor. Or, do you use the power options for repeatable results, accuracy, speed and ease.

So, have you used the Collins Coping Foot? If so how did you find it, or have you just posted to diss the Trend Jig and flaunt your personal expertise at scribe joints?
 
Whoa steady on fella not having a go at you I just hate gadgets that are toted as the best thing on earth when they're not and I couldn't see any pro using one.

It's a shame you don't live nearer to me Ed I could teach you in no time how to do perfect scribes easily. It's not a complicated thing to do.

Try to see it from my side I've scribed for over 25 years so I don't really think about it I just do it. Not showing off either as you suggest. It's my job if I couldn't do it I wouldn't earn a living.

Yes power tools improve productivity and I do use a jigsaw rather than a coping saw. What I didn't mention was the use of a mitre saw first too to get the line.

I have seen these scribe masters used at shows too so yes I have seen them. The usual sales /demo guy shouting out " this is gonna change your life " " all the pros will be using this". Absolute rubbish hopefully another pro will chime in and agree.

Please try to scribe with mitre saw then jigsaw it's really easy and not rocket science lol.

To get it really perfect use a scrap of skirting butted up against the skirting you are scribing to . This will tell you if the skirting is leaning back slightly.

Another thing that's useful are the Bosch blades that are really narrow so turn tight corners.
 
Hi Ed

I have had feed back from friends in the states that the Collins coping foot is good.

I have tried the trend thing at a demo day , its a pile of doo you don't get 90 deg scribes at the quirks and it a faff when you have 4 or 5 yards of skirting  to support and its a mare to sett up . So still the quickest way is a cms to cut the blank field and a coping saw to scribe the mould . It does take skill to get an accurate scribe  but skill comes with practice!  I have no problem getting a good scribe fit either with hand tools or hand and power tools but I would like to think I am a skilled joiner but it has taken years of practice

I think it is  not "good form" to react as you have done to Joiner 1970 assessment of the trend scribe .
Joiner is a very skilled and knowledgeable craftsman with years of experience and is well with in his field of knowledge to pass comment on this item .  Oh and by the way he is more than capable of carring out any joinery task "OLD SCHOOL"

Courtesy and politeness cost nothing.

If you are having difficulty with your scribes  Please PM me and I will try and help you

regards John
 
Thinking of getting 1 myself. Ive used a jigsaw for scribes for years. Im completely useless with a coping saw to the point i dont even own 1 now. Trend thing looks pants to me too.
 
Well i have never used a coping saw apart from when i was a boy.  Always used a chop saw then jigsaw and found it to be the best way. If i dont have the mitre saw with me then just mark it up off a scrap and use jig saw.

ED i can appreciate where your frustration is coming from but think it has clouded your judgement of joiners post. He wasnt trying to be smart or condesending just trying to save you money by stearing you clear of that rubbish trend jig. A bit of practise and you will do much better with a jig saw with or without the coping foot.

Personally i am interested by a coping foot but have managed without it so far and will probably stay that way even if it is usefull.

Who here uses the jigsaw upside down?
 
windmill man said:
Hi Ed

I think it is  not "good form" to react as you have done to Joiner 1970 assessment of the trend scribe .
Joiner is a very skilled and knowledgeable craftsman with years of experience and is well with in his field of knowledge to pass comment on this item .  Oh and by the way he is more than capable of carring out any joinery task "OLD SCHOOL"

regards John

Cheers John my head has just got bigger lol.

Chris
 
jimbouk said:
Who here uses the jigsaw upside down?

Yeah I do, I find it much easier to see and the cuts are chip free too.

I used to use those tiny Bosch laminate blades as they turn really tight corners but I've not tried them in any of my festool jigsaws. Not sure how well they work with the carbon guides on the festools
 
joiner1970 said:
Whoa steady on fella not having a go at you I just hate gadgets that are toted as the best thing on earth when they're not and I couldn't see any pro using one.

It's a shame you don't live nearer to me Ed I could teach you in no time how to do perfect scribes easily. It's not a complicated thing to do.

Try to see it from my side I've scribed for over 25 years so I don't really think about it I just do it. Not showing off either as you suggest. It's my job if I couldn't do it I wouldn't earn a living.

Yes power tools improve productivity and I do use a jigsaw rather than a coping saw. What I didn't mention was the use of a mitre saw first too to get the line.

I have seen these scribe masters used at shows too so yes I have seen them. The usual sales /demo guy shouting out " this is gonna change your life " " all the pros will be using this". Absolute rubbish hopefully another pro will chime in and agree.

Please try to scribe with mitre saw then jigsaw it's really easy and not rocket science lol.

To get it really perfect use a scrap of skirting butted up against the skirting you are scribing to . This will tell you if the skirting is leaning back slightly.

Another thing that's useful are the Bosch blades that are really narrow so turn tight corners.

I concur with you on cutting the mitre first then follow the edge with coping saw / jigsaw . its been used for centuries because it works and no jig is as accurate. Some ' Old school' methods will never be bettered imho.
Dave
P.s.  I sometimes use my jigsaw upside down
 
With the Collins foot you use the saw upside down. I cut it all with the jigsaw/Collins foot so you can back cut it and out of square all in one. That's why I use the Festool blades as I get a better cut on the straight and any detail I can not cut I nibble. If as joiner suggests you mitre saw the straight you can get a thinner blade for the profile and get a cleaner cut.
 
Me too on the upside down jigsaw

Had to say something nice about you Chris , know how upset you soft southern boys can get  [poke] [big grin]

Ed, I feel your frustration too, I know , when you are trying to do a good job , how frustrating things can be , the Collins is supposed to be good but it too takes practice to  master

John
 
My apologies for coming across as confrontational and re-reading my post it does come across that way.

In some little mitigation, Joiners original post just diss'd the jig with no qualifying statements and went on to state how it could be done easily by himself with either jigsaw or coping saw. Much like yourself, his further post then went on to say how his years of doing them had made him very proficient, well the unfortunate thing is, I don't have years to get that proficient, I'd be surprised if I am alive in 25 years time let alone still practising woodwork.

I would state though that both Joiner's second post in this thread and your own both had qualifying statements that were much more useful than the Trend thing is poo!

Also I got very much the same reaction when I was pondering both over buying my Leigh D4 Jig back in the late 90s and buying the Domino, "learn to do it properly", "you are a hobbyist you can take the time to do it the old school way," I got the Domino and it was a revelation, quick accurate joints, to be honest on the things I have built using it, unless you rip them apart there is no way of knowing whether a Domino, dowel, or 'proper' mortise & tenon have made the joint. Yes it's deskilled it but I can make quick accurate joints that look great and with speed. The Leigh is a different animal and there is a large leaning curve with that which as I use it infrequently I pretty much have to relearn again before each use to the extent that I have two routers set up specifically just for the jig (one for the straight cutter and one for the dovetail).

I ordered the Collins Coping foot this morning (based on the 2 reports I had had back about it) and it will arrive tomorrow, I will try it then. Whilst I am not a professional carpenter, joiner, cabinet maker or woodworker, my time woodworking time is still precious, and I need to get my house ship shape before I am able to get on with projects that interest me (wife's orders). I do not necessarily have the time for hours of practise at getting my coping/scribing skills down, there are 6 internal corners in each room, which are then multiplied by 3 (for picture rail, chair rail and skirting) so 18 internal scribes in each room, there are 4 rooms which all follow the same configuration (so we are now up to 72 scribe joints) plus a further two rooms each with 4 internal corners again multiplied by the 3 gives a final total of 96 scribe joints.

I suspect at the end of the work I might end up reasonably proficient at doing the scribe joints if I were to do them all by hand/jigsaw, unfortunately then, I may be dissatisfied with my earlier efforts, which would then play on my mind as the first room I have been tasked to do is the front/living room and I would be forced to know how bad they are. I am also unlikely to ever need to do any scribe cuts after this work, so actually 'learning the skill' might be a waste if I can find a way to do it quicker and more accurately and not need to learn the skill at all.

If the Trend Jig could do them quickly, repeatedly and accurately without the learning curve and practise required then I would be a fool to automatically discount it, on the other hand, genuine potential issues of it in use along with qualifying statements would also be useful and gratefully accepted.

Once again I apologise for my tone and I will let you know how I get on and with what method I choose to use.

I note there have been other posts since I started writing this one and thank you all for your time and trouble.
 
No worries Ed,

I would advise you to give yourself a little time to practice with the Collins , I have been told there is defiantly a knack to getting acceptable results.

I have a domino and love it and I am still on the learning curve with my Leigh Jig, been on that curve for about 15 years  [eek] just about given up with it now.

If you do have problems with the set up of your skirtings,  PM Chris or myself and we will help as much as we can .

Remember that if all else fails and you are painting your woodwork

PU glue
Caulk
And Two Pack filler

are your friends  [big grin]
well they are mine on occasion  [big grin]

 
I still use the coping saw for the simple reason I feel more proficient doing it that way. I have tried a couple of times with the jigsaw I personally didn't feel 100% comfortable with it. The last slightly more. Like doing any task we all need to practice at it. Whatever route you decide to go down is start with inside of the cupboards. The wall that look at first when you open the door. The piece that is to be scribed the size you measure about 3 or 4 mm then it pushes the scribe in tight
 
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