Armor Clamps on Sale at Sears

jbasen

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I happened to wander into Sears today and found that they are selling Armor clamps rebranded as Craftsman, and they are on sale.  I snagged two of the Self Adjusting In-line dog clamps for under $25 each [big grin].  I like these better than the clamping elements since you can lock them securely into a hole in the MFT from the top instead of reaching underneath to screw on a knob.  I also find myself regularly having to file off burrs from the adjustment rod on the clamping elements. Only time will tell if the Armor clamps exhibit this same problem.

Sears had other Armor clamps and accessories on sale but the In-line clamps were the only ones that would work with a 20mm dog hole. All the others that Sears carries are designed to work with a 3/4" hole.
 
I actually bought a set of armor clamps last year, both the in line dog clamps and the fence/stops (for which I had to purchase extra 20mm pegs, since the fence only comes packaged with the 3/4). I ended up returning the set after a couple of weeks of use. I found they didn't lock down tightly enoufh, either in my mft or in my mft style workbench drilled with 20mm holes. With any significant clamping force the work piece lifted off the table. I also suspect that after some use the movement of the clamps would potentially degrade the holes, though I didn't own them long enough to observe this

Maybe someone else has had more success with them? Maybe the slippage/lifting isn't as dramatic on 3/4 holes as it is on 20mm ones?
 
Thanks for the feedback [member=37411]Edward A Reno III[/member]

I'll definitely play with them this weekend and see how they work for me
 
I wanted to follow up on this thread after having some time to play with the Armor clamps this morning.  Overall, I like the clamps.  They aren't perfect but I think their positives outweigh their negatives when compared to the Clamping Elements. 

Pros
1) The Armor clamps do a good job of locking in the 20mm holes on my home made MFT.  It didn't require a lot of force to lock the clamp into the hole securely and I didn't notice any damage to the MFT hole.  Since my MFT is strictly a sanding and assembly table (I don't use it for sawing) imperfections in the holes don't matter to me.  I could see that this design would be more worrisome for someone who uses their MFT with their track saw and the holes are used for aligning cuts.

2) Unlike the clamping elements, clamping pressure is adjustable.  Out of the package they are set for minimal pressure.  I found that adjusting the pressure a bit higher resulted in much better clamping than the minimal setting.  The packaging claimed that you could adjust the pressure between 5 and 500 pounds of force.  I didn't even try to adjust it close to the maximum clamping pressure as I found that a much lower setting worked just fine.  I suspect that high clamping forces would cause more damage to the mft holes.

3) Unlike the Clamping Elements I didn't notice that using the clamps produced any nicks in the shaft that over time cause the clamping elements to become "sticky" and require filing of their shafts.  The adjustment rod on the Armor clamps appears to be made of a harder steel than the rod on the Clamping Elements

4) Construction appears to be very high quality with the majority of the clamp being made of metal components.  Only the piece that contacts the work piece, a bumper at the far end of the rod, the knob for locking the clamp into a hole on the mft, and the wedge for locking the clamp into a hole on the mft are plastic.

Cons
1) As [member=37411]Edward A Reno III[/member] mentioned I did notice some lifting of the work piece when clamping pressure was applied.  Increasing the clamping pressure slightly minimized the lifting.  After I adjusted the clamping pressure I compared the lifting to the clamping elements and found it to be almost exactly the same

2) The biggest issue I saw is that the clamps are taller than the Clamping Elements.  This is most important where the rod attaches to piece that contacts the work piece.  You will need to be careful to avoid this when sanding.  In addition, a design issue (IMHO) is that the piece that contacts the work piece is 49/64" high (1/64 over 3/4").  Given that 3/4" thick lumber is so common it seems like an oversight to make this piece just higher than 3/4" so it will definitely interfere slightly during sanding.  Given that this piece is plastic I expect it will quickly get sanded down to 3/4".

3) The Armor clamps don't have quite as much reach as the Clamping Elements.  The maximum extension on the Clamping Elements is 5 5/8" from a hole in the MFT.  On the Armor clamps it is only 4 7/8".  Given the spacing of 95mm between holes on my home made MFT I did find one work piece that I couldn't clamp.  One hole put the clamp to tight to the work piece and the next hole there wasn't enough extension on the rod to reach the work piece.  A small block of wood solved the issue but it is worth mentioning.

4) The Armor clamps don't come with clamping dogs; those must be purchased separately. 

Overall I liked the Armor clamps more than the Clamping Elements.  For me, the convenience of easily locking the clamp securely into an MFT hole, the adjustable clamping pressure, and the quality of construction outweigh the negatives.  If Armor would redesign the piece that contacts the work piece for better clearance and increase the length of the rod they would even be better. 
 
Glad your experience was more positive than mine [member=18233]jbasen[/member] I was disappointed when I had to return them because I liked the company and the concept.

Just curious, your observation that the lift of the workpiece when clamping is similar between the armor clamps and the clamping elements -- does this apply when the clamping elements are locked down with the knob?

Also just a technical note.  You can actually change the clamping pressure on the clamping elements by turning the hexagonal set screw that regulates the pressure applied to the spring/lever assembly.

jbasen said:
I wanted to follow up on this thread after having some time to play with the Armor clamps this morning.  Overall, I like the clamps.  They aren't perfect but I think their positives outweigh their negatives when compared to the Clamping Elements. 

Pros
1) The Armor clamps do a good job of locking in the 20mm holes on my home made MFT.  It didn't require a lot of force to lock the clamp into the hole securely and I didn't notice any damage to the MFT hole.  Since my MFT is strictly a sanding and assembly table (I don't use it for sawing) imperfections in the holes don't matter to me.  I could see that this design would be more worrisome for someone who uses their MFT with their track saw and the holes are used for aligning cuts.

2) Unlike the clamping elements, clamping pressure is adjustable.  Out of the package they are set for minimal pressure.  I found that adjusting the pressure a bit higher resulted in much better clamping than the minimal setting.  The packaging claimed that you could adjust the pressure between 5 and 500 pounds of force.  I didn't even try to adjust it close to the maximum clamping pressure as I found that a much lower setting worked just fine.  I suspect that high clamping forces would cause more damage to the mft holes.

3) Unlike the Clamping Elements I didn't notice that using the clamps produced any nicks in the shaft that over time cause the clamping elements to become "sticky" and require filing of their shafts.  The adjustment rod on the Armor clamps appears to be made of a harder steel than the rod on the Clamping Elements

4) Construction appears to be very high quality with the majority of the clamp being made of metal components.  Only the piece that contacts the work piece, a bumper at the far end of the rod, the knob for locking the clamp into a hole on the mft, and the wedge for locking the clamp into a hole on the mft are plastic.

Cons
1) As [member=37411]Edward A Reno III[/member] mentioned I did notice some lifting of the work piece when clamping pressure was applied.  Increasing the clamping pressure slightly minimized the lifting.  After I adjusted the clamping pressure I compared the lifting to the clamping elements and found it to be almost exactly the same

2) The biggest issue I saw is that the clamps are taller than the Clamping Elements.  This is most important where the rod attaches to piece that contacts the work piece.  You will need to be careful to avoid this when sanding.  In addition, a design issue (IMHO) is that the piece that contacts the work piece is 49/64" high (1/64 over 3/4").  Given that 3/4" thick lumber is so common it seems like an oversight to make this piece just higher than 3/4" so it will definitely interfere slightly during sanding.  Given that this piece is plastic I expect it will quickly get sanded down to 3/4".

3) The Armor clamps don't have quite as much reach as the Clamping Elements.  The maximum extension on the Clamping Elements is 5 5/8" from a hole in the MFT.  On the Armor clamps it is only 4 7/8".  Given the spacing of 95mm between holes on my home made MFT I did find one work piece that I couldn't clamp.  One hole put the clamp to tight to the work piece and the next hole there wasn't enough extension on the rod to reach the work piece.  A small block of wood solved the issue but it is worth mentioning.

4) The Armor clamps don't come with clamping dogs; those must be purchased separately. 

Overall I liked the Armor clamps more than the Clamping Elements.  For me, the convenience of easily locking the clamp securely into an MFT hole, the adjustable clamping pressure, and the quality of construction outweigh the negatives.  If Armor would redesign the piece that contacts the work piece for better clearance and increase the length of the rod they would even be better.
 
Edward A Reno III said:
Glad your experience was more positive than mine [member=18233]jbasen[/member] I was disappointed when I had to return them because I liked the company and the concept.

Just curious, your observation that the lift of the workpiece when clamping is similar between the armor clamps and the clamping elements -- does this apply when the clamping elements are locked down with the knob?

Also just a technical note.  You can actually change the clamping pressure on the clamping elements by turning the hexagonal set screw that regulates the pressure applied to the spring/lever assembly.

jbasen said:
I wanted to follow up on this thread after having some time to play with the Armor clamps this morning.  Overall, I like the clamps.  They aren't perfect but I think their positives outweigh their negatives when compared to the Clamping Elements. 

Pros
1) The Armor clamps do a good job of locking in the 20mm holes on my home made MFT.  It didn't require a lot of force to lock the clamp into the hole securely and I didn't notice any damage to the MFT hole.  Since my MFT is strictly a sanding and assembly table (I don't use it for sawing) imperfections in the holes don't matter to me.  I could see that this design would be more worrisome for someone who uses their MFT with their track saw and the holes are used for aligning cuts.

2) Unlike the clamping elements, clamping pressure is adjustable.  Out of the package they are set for minimal pressure.  I found that adjusting the pressure a bit higher resulted in much better clamping than the minimal setting.  The packaging claimed that you could adjust the pressure between 5 and 500 pounds of force.  I didn't even try to adjust it close to the maximum clamping pressure as I found that a much lower setting worked just fine.  I suspect that high clamping forces would cause more damage to the mft holes.

3) Unlike the Clamping Elements I didn't notice that using the clamps produced any nicks in the shaft that over time cause the clamping elements to become "sticky" and require filing of their shafts.  The adjustment rod on the Armor clamps appears to be made of a harder steel than the rod on the Clamping Elements

4) Construction appears to be very high quality with the majority of the clamp being made of metal components.  Only the piece that contacts the work piece, a bumper at the far end of the rod, the knob for locking the clamp into a hole on the mft, and the wedge for locking the clamp into a hole on the mft are plastic.

Cons
1) As [member=37411]Edward A Reno III[/member] mentioned I did notice some lifting of the work piece when clamping pressure was applied.  Increasing the clamping pressure slightly minimized the lifting.  After I adjusted the clamping pressure I compared the lifting to the clamping elements and found it to be almost exactly the same

2) The biggest issue I saw is that the clamps are taller than the Clamping Elements.  This is most important where the rod attaches to piece that contacts the work piece.  You will need to be careful to avoid this when sanding.  In addition, a design issue (IMHO) is that the piece that contacts the work piece is 49/64" high (1/64 over 3/4").  Given that 3/4" thick lumber is so common it seems like an oversight to make this piece just higher than 3/4" so it will definitely interfere slightly during sanding.  Given that this piece is plastic I expect it will quickly get sanded down to 3/4".

3) The Armor clamps don't have quite as much reach as the Clamping Elements.  The maximum extension on the Clamping Elements is 5 5/8" from a hole in the MFT.  On the Armor clamps it is only 4 7/8".  Given the spacing of 95mm between holes on my home made MFT I did find one work piece that I couldn't clamp.  One hole put the clamp to tight to the work piece and the next hole there wasn't enough extension on the rod to reach the work piece.  A small block of wood solved the issue but it is worth mentioning.

4) The Armor clamps don't come with clamping dogs; those must be purchased separately. 

Overall I liked the Armor clamps more than the Clamping Elements.  For me, the convenience of easily locking the clamp securely into an MFT hole, the adjustable clamping pressure, and the quality of construction outweigh the negatives.  If Armor would redesign the piece that contacts the work piece for better clearance and increase the length of the rod they would even be better.

Thanks.  Yes I made sure I locked down the Clamping Elements with the knob to make sure it was a fair comparison.
 
jbasen said:
Thanks.  Yes I made sure I locked down the Clamping Elements with the knob to make sure it was a fair comparison.

Good to know so someone isn't dissuaded from buying them simply on the basis of my bad review. 
 
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