Azek and dominos

Brice,

Thanks for the information.  The latest project I used the domino along with cellular PVC was a railing system that had boxed sided corners with a PVC top cap roughly 18" x 36 to 48" long.  The cap was built with mitered PVC 1 x 8's and then another decorative piece of 1 x 10 pvc on top to cover the center void.  I cut all the pieces of the mitered section first then cut dominoes to align the miters.  Then cut pocket holes on the bottom.  Put in regular dominos - not glued, put a bead of Trim Bond on the mitered edges to serve as glue, pocket screwed to act as a clamp.  Worked well for me.  Certainly not production work but with the Trim Bond just like the Azek glue time is of the essence.

These caps were attached with finish nails hidden in the area to be overlapped by the decorative 1 x 10.  That 1 x 10 was put down after a bead of Trim & Bond was put down as glue and finish nails were used more as clamps.

By the way, I think that I learned about Trim Bond thru one of your earlier posts.  Thanks!

Peter
 
Brice,

I have to meet an insurance adjuster at that home on Tuesday - nothing to do with me.  I'll post pictures then.  The only thing is that the work i required to be painted and the owner is waiting until Spring to do so.  I am not responsible for dirt and smudges.  [tongue]

Peter
 
I think I remember it the other way.  [unsure]

When I first found Koma at the JLC Live in RI last year, or the year before, Azek was just down the isle from the Koma booth and it was easy to discern the differences between the two.  While the Azek could be warmed and shaped like nothing else I've ever seen, the Koma could be routed like wood and it kept all the sharp edges and detail, just like wood.  Even the "saw dust", if you will, was different.  While the Azek produced shavings, the Koma produced flakes.

Of course, this is my memory and anyone that knows me personally, knows just how bad that can be...  [sad]

Brice Burrell said:
Seems I remember using Koma sheets because it was a little cheaper and it was slightly softer than Azek. Maybe I got it backwards.
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Just curious, what would be the point of using a plastic product for dominos, It has no grain therefore no additional strenght? Or is it just for alignment?
 
Brice:

I forgot to take pictures on Tuesday.  Hopefully Monday at the latest.

Toolman:  I am not answering for Brice, but I think that azek dominos would add some strength to the joint.  By gluing the dominos into both pieces you would gain parts that would be spanning both pieces and up to the strength of the domino material you should gain some strength as well as alignment.

In my scenario, using wooden dominoes to bridge the two pieces, I only use them for alignment of the joints.  If I would use a glue / adhesive that would bond to both wood and the pvc, then I would guess that my joint would be stronger - at least initially.  I use the pocket screws for the clamping and also additional strength.

Peter
 
Toolman said:
Just curious, what would be the point of using a plastic product for dominos, It has no grain therefore no additional strenght? Or is it just for alignment?
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Like Peter I use the tenons for alignment and pocket screws additional reinforcement. Azek isn't a product you can use in a structural application so beyond glue and pocket screws the product shouldn't need anymore reinforcement. You'd need to add another material (like metal) in conjunction Azek in a structural application.

I use the Azek tenons because they're super easy to make and don't burn up my supply of Festool tenons. 
 
Kevin Johnson said:
Thanks for all the replies and especially the hint about rounding over the corners, I did not think of that.  I looked into the preformed corners, but the price I was quoted was astronomical.  I think one 8 or 10 foot post might have been $80.00.  I am not sure about the price, but I whatever it was I concluded that it was much less expensive to make them myself.

I considered butting the joints together, but the customer wants them mitered.
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Kevin, use the prefromed corners.  If you consider your labor and material you will never be able to do it for $80.00  Plus they are right on.  You can set your corners and move on to the next step. 
 
Brice,

Sorry I was late.  The owner doesn't believe in cleaning her railings at all.  The spots you see are not nail holes.  Top cap of railing is 1.5 inches thick.  The railing posts are covered with a PVC sleeve.  The posts that appear to be sitting on top are not.  They pass thru.  They support another deck above.  All this work will be painted next summer as part of the painting project.

For those of you who haven't used PVC, it is flexible.  It does not make a great railing system in this configuration.  Unless you plan in advance.  What you don't see for instance in the fourth photo is that on the exterior underneath the top cap is a fir 2 x 6 that goes from post to post and post to boxed corner that is pocket screwed to posts or corners.  That ties everything in and gives it the required strength and rigidity.  Also, this design would normally allow wasps to go into the area between the pickets and then behind the top vertical 1 x 6 and make their nests in perfect privacy.  I installed little blocks between the pickets to prevent that.

Peter

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Peter, the heck with that railing why didn't you get a shot of the water, looks a nice place to sit and take in the view. No really, nice work and good use of the product. 
 
Brice:
Brice asks.  It is delivered.

Spinnaker Cove really is a beautiful place.  I've been involved in one way or another since 1995.  Lots of PVC now.

Don't laugh at the website.  My first attempt.  Working on a new one.  I know a link is broken.  Long story.

Peter
 
I winter, spring, summer, fall.  I own two companies.  One I manage condominium, townhouse, and property owners associations, and then there is the general contracting company.  Both my wife and I are nationally accredited in this field.   [eek]  This is a community that I manage and also do contracting in.  If you or anyone else wants to expand their business to include these types of places, send me a PM.  I'll be more than happy to give tips and advice.  I have helped 8 different companies do this.  I don't want to do it online though.

Peter
 
Peter Halle said:
Brice:
Brice asks.  It is delivered.

Spinnaker Cove really is a beautiful place.  I've been involved in one way or another since 1995.  Lots of PVC now.

Don't laugh at the website.  My first attempt.  Working on a new one.  I know a link is broken.  Long story.

Peter
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Very nice...to say the least! I'm afraid to ask the cost!

Bob
 
Move here Bob.  200 to 250.  One of the communities that I managed marketed especially to NJ.  God am I so blessed.

Peter
 
Peter Halle said:
Move here Bob.  200 to 250.  One of the communities that I managed marketed especially to NJ.  God am I so blessed.

Peter
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Oh, seems very reasonable...but it will be a few years before we hike out of NJ (and we willbe leaving NJ for sure)...my daughter is still in school.

Bob
 
I'll Hold a reservation for you Bob.  Virginia is one of the most business friendly states by all the experts. ??? ???

Peter
 
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