Battery Care

HowardM

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Hi,
My TSC 55 is on it’s way, it is quite some investment for a hobby-ist.
I have been looking for info regards the batteries.
Past experience with phone batteries etc makes me think about proper care and
that crucial first charge.
Is there something written down somewhere about care and maintenance of batteries, especially the first charge etc....
Thanks
Howard
 
Some general basics of lithium battery care.

  • Don't store in a hot environment
  • If the batteries are hot, it's best to let them cool before charging
  • Generally speaking, charging to 100% all the time is bad for overall longevity
  • Do not store at 100% for long periods of time
  • Do not discharge all the way

Most of these are general recommendations for Li-Ion based batteries. Festool may have battery management that, for example, keeps the cells from being charged to a real 100% and stops them at something lower to improve overall life. Without knowing for sure, I tend to practice the items above.
 
I noticed on my TSC55 that the batteries will slowly discharge left in the tool.

If I put it away with the batteries in the saw, I pull them out slightly or take them off completely.
 
I would never recommend you treat your Festool batteries like I do, but... mine ride in a cold truck all winter,  hot truck all summer,  sometimes sit on the chargers for days, sometimes fully drained,  partially charged,  fully charged, etc, etc. All the stuff we're supposed to avoid,  and they keep doing the job.  They're pretty stout.
 
The cold is good for them, as in they won't degrade as quickly. However, in the cold capacity at that moment is less.

You can use them when frozen, but do NOT charge when frozen.

If put away for longer, best to have them ~45% charged.

Never put them away empty.

Three elements will eventually kill your battery; time, temperature, cycles.

As a DIY user, cycles will probably not be the problem.
Temperature you can exert influence over; store cool and dry.
The effect of time can also be mitigated partly by keeping the charge % around 45%. It will degrade like 3x faster when kept at 100%.

Phone batteries are usually charged too high and discharged too far. This both has detrimental effects on longevity of the battery, but  when new this gives it "extra" capacity. So all the low-IQ tech journalists will credit said phone with having good batterylife, even though that will degrade quickly. If you limit top and bottom 5% of a Lithium battery, so say it says "100%" while it's actually 95% and 0% when it's actually 5%, it will live much longer. But then it will show 10% worse runtime in the reviews....

And in the end, the battery will still die. But these days... the failure might be on the circuit board that is supposed to guard over the individual cells....

Different brands have different designs circuit boards. Bosch seems to not do balance charging of the cells, but the circuit is very simple, so unlikely to die.

Makita is said to use 1/2 cells to power the BMS, so even at near-zero power use, that will eventually unbalance the battery and kill it.

Once cells die, you can replace them if you have the knowhow and tools. But that's probably some talk Festool does not approve off.

Beware that some batteries (no idea if applicable to Festool) have the circuitboard designed to 'brick' if it once sees a fault, meaning replacing cells wont result in a workable battery, unless you know how to reset the circuit board. Personally I think such evil should be banned by law, but above all, let's not get into that...

I will be receiving my battery spot welder in a while, so...
 
I agree with Samo that leaving batteries in the tool can drain them.  I had a battery in my 420 jigsaw and it drained it to the point it would not take a charge.  So now I make sure none of my batteries are inserted all the way. 

Outside of the original charge, is it ok to just partially charge a battery in the charger so I do not store fully charged?
 
Thanks for the comprehensive advice gents.
Being an all time DeWalt man, this is a big move for me.
The TSC55 had too many good features to ignore especially now
I have been ordered by SWMBO to get the kitchen sorted.!

Thkx
Howard
 
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