Bill's new Domino Lock

Bru

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Thought everyone might enjoy this project Bill Wyko did with his Domino. He posted this an sawmill creek. Check the lock out it's a sliding Domino lock. Just had to share this with everyone. Bru  www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=77788Link
If your not a member I added a couple of pic's below. Sorry Bru
 
Hope this works. Sorry I'm a member it just takes an email address.
 
Bru,

Would you please provide more details as to the construction of the Domino lock?  I think I have visualized how it works (there is a smaller, shorter domino slot perpendicular to the front face which intersects the larger mortice through the edge of the door), but I'd like to know for sure.

Dave R.
 
Dave you will have to log into the link at sawmill creek. I saw this on their site and thought people might be interested. Sorry I don't have any more info. Bru  Just thought it was a great new way to use the Domino. The way I understand it is he made the slots into the edge of the door stock and than on the left side (facing) he made another cut into the slot. Probably use a dowel attached to a handle as a slider. (this is just my guess after looking at the photo's) Sorry just thought it was a cool new Domino trick.
 
Bru,
This sounds interesting, but I can't quite make out what exactly is going on here.  Are there other photos available?
Matthew
 
I linked to the post at sawmill creek, you have to be a member. The other photo's show Bill's project not really the Domino lock. Sorry no more pic's that would help. Bru
 
Bru,
That's a beautiful project.  I get the general idea he's employing with the Domino -- having it slide in and out of the mortise lto lock and unlock the door.  That's a great new concept for the Domino!  However, I can't tell what he's using to hold the locking Domino in place as it slides.  Any ideas?
Matt
 
I would think a dowel would give you the largest range of motion. Not sure if thats what he did or not.
 
Look at Jerry Work's Domino manual. He shows one way that could be adapted to making a sliding lock on the sliding table top he makes. It is on page 49 (using Adobe 7, not sure if it changes if you have the latest version). He is using a metal pin. I think you could drive a screw into the domino and then cut the head off of it and epoxy it into the "handle" of the lock.
john
 
Beautiful piece of work, hats off to Bill Wyko! 

As for sliding domino locks and such just experiment cutting intersecting domino slots from two or more surfaces of a work piece and many such applications will become apparent.  There seems to be no end to the applications if you let your creativity run wild.

Jerry

Bru said:
Thought everyone might enjoy this project Bill Wyko did with his Domino. He posted this an sawmill creek. Check the lock out it's a sliding Domino lock. Just had to share this with everyone. Bru  www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=77788Link
If your not a member I added a couple of pic's below. Sorry Bru
 
John Stegall said:
I think you could drive a screw into the domino and then cut the head off of it and epoxy it into the "handle" of the lock.

Let me see if I can describe my interpretation of what's going on here...

Cut the mortise with the Domino tool in the edge of the door, deep enough that the Domino can completely retract into the mortise. Drill a hole large enough to accommodate the screw head through depth of the door, from the back, far enough from the depth of the mortise that the screw will hold comfortably in the domino.

Elongate this hole in the front, possibly with the Domino tool itself, and make sure that the elongated slot is large enough to take a round spacer that holds the handle clear of the domino.

Then just run a screw in from the back of the door, through the domino, through the spacer, and into the handle. You can always go in through that hole to unscrew and detach the handle later, you could make the spacer elongated rather than round to hold the handle in position (maybe even a smaller domino on edge, with just a hint of recess into the back of the handle and the front of the domino you use for the latch?), and it's largely invisible.
 
Dan,

Your approach would certainly certainly work, but it is also possible to make the sliding lock entirely of wooden pieces joined to one another with domino mortises, and without need for a screw hole in back to limit travel.  Here's what I am thinking of (same as I tried to describe in my earlier post):

1)  Make a deep mortise into the edge of the door (parallel to the plane of the face of the door) to receive the sliding domino that functions as the bolt of the latch.
2)  Mortise the edge of the frame, case or other door to receive the latch when extended to engag (lock) the door shut.
3)  Mortise the front face of the door.  The widthwise axis of this mortise must be parallel (and preferably but not necessarily centered) relative to the sliding axis of the latch bolt in its mortise that you made in step 1).  This face mortise should be for a domino of smaller size, e.g. 5mm than that used for the bolt (6, 8, or 10 mm), but again, it does not have to be since the widthwise direction of this face mortise is perpendicular to the widthwise direction of the mortise for the bolt.  Don't overlook the fact that you can overlap mortises with a Domino machine to get any cross-sectional area size you want. and that you can cut domino tenons of different lenths, widths and thicknesses than the standard sizes sold by Festool.  This face mortise should not extend all the way to the door edge so the the end of this face mortise slot will act as a stop for the part that connects the bolt to the decorative handle seen from the front side of the door.  This face mortise needs to be wider than the width of the domino used to connect the bolt to the handle.  If you use a dowel, the face mortise could be a cut with the Domino machine on its narrowest setting using a 5mm or larger diameter bit.  But I would rather use a shortened 5 mm domino to connect the bolt through this face mortise to the decorative handle piece.  Insread of a dowel, you can also cut a notch in the stub connector domino to allow greater sliding travel range in the face mortise, while still taking advantage of the anti-rotation characteristic of domino joints.  This notched connector allows use of a smaller face mortise slot width, thereby keeping more wood of the face near the edge of the door, i.e. it keeps the door edge is stronger.
4) Mortise the back of the handle piece (or drill a hole to receive a stub dowel).
5) Slide the bolt into its mortise, then insert through the front face of the door  the connecting domino or dowel into the mortise or hole in the bolt, then press the decorative handle onto the stub of the domino or dowel.
6) Dry fit the mechanism to ensure that the relative dimensions of pieces of the latch and the mortises allow the sliding latch to work as you intend them to.
7) Apply whatever finish to the project including the decorative front handle, then wax the bolt and the mortise through the face, then do final assemblyyour domino lock/latch to the project.

Does anyone on FOG know Bill who posted this at Sawmill Creek?  Maybe they could invit Bill to also post it here and explain exactly what he did.

Dave R.
 
Dave, I think the difference between what you describe and what I was thinking is a waxed friction fit (or a bolt) vs an extra hole in the interior and a screw. Either way, I now want to make something with doors so I can try it out!
 
I would think a dowel or a pin, screw, would work best. A domino would limit your movement (might not be a problem). Thanks everyone for all the interest and great suggestions I love learning new techniques. Can not wait to get my shop reorganized so I can play again. Just got to good of a deal off Craig's List($1600 for all).....Wife wanted her garage back Bought; 5hp Shop Fox Table Saw w/ ext table, 52" rails and shop fox fence, bies. over head blade guard w/ dust extraction, Jess-em Miter gauge, 3 - WWII Blades, Freud dial-a-datto, ZCI for datto, and WWIIblades, plus anti kick back rollers, and a rolling fold down cut off table. Got a Grizzly 17" 2hp Bandsaw w/ about 12 timberwolf blades, 6" Grizzly jointer, 3hp Grizzly Dust Collector w/remotes and enough hoses and connectors to fill the back seat of my truck. NIB vac. pump and bag, Dewalt miter saw, Rigid spindle sander, Rigid 13" planner, about 1/2 a pickup load of  wood Mahogany and oak and Veneers. Got the TS set up today, have to add a couple 220 lines and sell a lot of my old equipment. ;D Just can't get that smile off my face. Sometimes even old farts get great deals....Bru
 
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