Blum Blumotion slide instructions

[jacko9]

I just purchased some Blum Heavy Duty 24" 569A slides for a kitchen project with inset drawer fronts (attached to the dovetailed drawer box).

The drawer box will be 3/4" thick full dovetail construction and the attached drawer front will be 7/8" thick white oak.

I built the face frame flush with the inside cabinet plywood and I'm looking at the slim instructions I find online that says to mount the slides 1/8" back from the face frame and another instruction set that says it trial and error fit.

If my 7/8" thick face frame is flush with the sides and the attached drawer front is 7/8" thick it seems that mounting the slide 1/8" behind the inside face frame edge should give me a flush attached drawer front.

When I look at page 5 of the Blum instructions it says with a 7/8" drawer front and a 3/4" drawer side I should set the slide back 1 1/4"?

http://go.rockler.com/tech/Tandem-Plus-563-Installation-Instructions.pdf

Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.

Jack

 

[mastercabman]

First
If you are making 24" deep cabinet I would get 21" runners
I would also get the front latch with depth adjustment
So you can set your runners 1 1/4" back and you can adjust the depth stop
Hope this make sense

 

[tjbnwi]

You may have to cut the front off the Blums to get the 24's into a 24" deep cabinet. I had to do that with some 18's.

Overlay or inset drawer faces?

Tom

 

[bkharman]

I have never done Blum sliders with ¾" material. Isn't that a no-no for them or are these special ones that allow for the thicker material?

Cheers. Bryan.

 

[tjbnwi]

I have never done Blum sliders with ¾" material. Isn't that a no-no for them or are these special ones that allow for the thicker material?

Cheers. Bryan.

The 563's are for 3/4" drawers boxes.

Tom

 

[bkharman]

I have never done Blum sliders with ¾" material. Isn't that a no-no for them or are these special ones that allow for the thicker material?

Cheers. Bryan.

The 563's are for 3/4" drawers boxes.

Tom

learn something new every day!  Never had a need for any that are that thick but good to know they are around if I need them. I assume the price goes up for them?

Thanks Tom!  Bryan.

 

[jacko9]

Guys I made a 26" deep cabinet that is 26 7/8" with a face frame.  The Blum 569 slides call for 3/4" drawer material, it's just the set back I'm concerned with since I'm using inset drawers with the face frame flush with the inside of the cabinet.

Jack

 

[tjbnwi]

I have never done Blum sliders with ¾" material. Isn't that a no-no for them or are these special ones that allow for the thicker material?

Cheers. Bryan.

The 563's are for 3/4" drawers boxes.

Tom

learn something new every day!  Never had a need for any that are that thick but good to know they are around if I need them. I assume the price goes up for them?

Thanks Tom!  Bryan.

It is the 563F that accepts the 3/4" sides, the 563H is 5/8" sides.

All of the 569's take 3/4" sides.

Tom

 

[any]

I usually make a mock-up piece/board of the full length drawer side including the front, and then test fit and measure it against a slide placed on a workbench, since the margin for error is so small when making inset fronts.

 

[tjbnwi]

Guys I made a 26" deep cabinet that is 26 7/8" with a face frame.  The Blum 569 slides call for 3/4" drawer material, it's just the set back I'm concerned with since I'm using inset drawers with the face frame flush with the inside of the cabinet.

Jack

Depends on the locking device.

The adjustable 1-9/32"

All other 1-3/16"

The formula is on page 5 of this link, right side bottom of page.

http://go.rockler.com/tech/Tandem-Plus-563-Installation-Instructions.pdf

Tom

 

[jacko9]

I bought the BT51.1909 PS adjustable locking devices and I have 3/4" thick drawer sides.  The confusion is the table on page 5 where it indicates that the set back from the face frame is 1 1/4".  The 3/4" drawer member plus 7/8" drawer attachment is 1 5/8" total thickness.  "If" I had a frameless cabinet with a 3/4" drawer member thickness the recommended set back is 1/8", how does this add up?

Jack

 

[mastercabman]

I bought the BT51.1909 PS adjustable locking devices and I have 3/4" thick drawer sides.  The confusion is the table on page 5 where it indicates that the set back from the face frame is 1 1/4".  The 3/4" drawer member plus 7/8" drawer attachment is 1 5/8" total thickness.  "If" I had a faceless cabinet with a 3/4" drawer member thickness the recommended set back is 1/8", how does this add up?

Jack

Because with frameless you don't inset
If you want the look of inset you need to add panels on the sides

 

[tjbnwi]

My numbers figured a 4 sided drawer with 3/4" sides and the 7/8" face you mentioned.

Face + sub face - 11/32

3/4 + 7/8 = 1-5/8 - 11/32 = 1-9/32

8/32 is 1/4"

Tom

 

[stvrowe]

My numbers figured a 4 sided drawer with 3/4" sides and the 7/8" face you mentioned.

Face + sub face - 11/32

3/4 + 7/8 = 1-5/8 - 11/32 = 1-9/32

8/32 is 1/4"

Tom

A perfect example of why I converted to metric.

 

[tiralie]

My numbers figured a 4 sided drawer with 3/4" sides and the 7/8" face you mentioned.

Face + sub face - 11/32

3/4 + 7/8 = 1-5/8 - 11/32 = 1-9/32

8/32 is 1/4"

Tom

A perfect example of why I converted to metric.

LOL, I agree. Particularly for drawers. Well at least Blum's specs are in metric (in Canada anyway), so that really helps.

 

[junk731]

Because with frameless you don't inset
If you want the look of inset you need to add panels on the sides
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Sorry Mastercab, I don't understand why you made this statement. Its extremely easy to go inset with frameless cabs and no additional end panels, I've personally done on many occasions for customers cabinets. You just have to measure properly and use the right slide.

John

 

[mastercabman]

Because with frameless you don't inset
If you want the look of inset you need to add panels on the sides

Sorry Mastercab, I don't understand why you made this statement. Its extremely easy to go inset with frameless cabs and no additional end panels, I've personally done on many occasions for customers cabinets. You just have to measure properly and use the right slide.

John
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I know you can inset doors and drawers on frameless cabinets but it's not the same look as with a frame
I have seen it like that and with a face frame attached to the doors but it's not the same construction
Still if you do inset doors and drawers you need to add the thickness of the doors to the  1/8"
Blum specs is giving for standard frameless construction not inset
Frameless cabinets were not designed originally to be inset but full overlay

 

[jacko9]

Guys,  The cabinet I built does have a face frame but, the face frame is flush with the inside cabinet side.  The cabinet has an applied panel on one side and a full height panel on the other side, so inset drawers look just fine in this application.

Jack

 

[tjbnwi]

Same way I build them. Flush panels to the opening except the end cap.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

My numbers figured a 4 sided drawer with 3/4" sides and the 7/8" face you mentioned.

Face + sub face - 11/32

3/4 + 7/8 = 1-5/8 - 11/32 = 1-9/32

8/32 is 1/4"

Tom

A perfect example of why I converted to metric.

Convert the above to decimals in my head. Type them in fractions.

Tom