Bought a MFT/3, my 2nd Festool...tool. Hopefully I use it correctly

Just F Me

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Hello folks,

Long time reader, first time poster.  Couple months ago, I got the itch to build something for my garage to organize things.  It was my first venture to actually building something myself from scratch.  I've fixed my cars, motorcycle, etc.  All that is easy, but I've never built something from scratch.

I ended up buying a Makita SP6000 track saw (please, hold your tomatoes [crying] ) because it fit my budget a bit better, but went with the Festool 55" guide rail with drilling guide holes for the future.  I compared left and right and read review after review and ended up with the Makita, which works extremely well!  I haven't used the TS 55 REQ, but from my experience so far with the Makita, I'm liking it.

Originally, this is what I designed in Sketchup
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However, this is what I ended up making...
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No special joints at all, just end to face with pocket screws.  Yes, I know I'm missing a shelf on the left, and also some frame frame rails at the top, will talk about that in a second.

Again, this was my very first time designing, cutting, and assembling something from a sheet of wood.  I had numerous mistakes and also problems with making perfectly square cuts because I was cutting on the floor of my garage on a 1.5" thick styrofoam insulation. 
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I had numerous mistakes like the following
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But some parts came out decently nice
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After pretty much watching every review possible of the Festool MFT/3 and reading almost every thread about the MFT/3 here on FOG, I felt that buying the MFT/3 will help me get more accurate cuts as I was off by 1mm to 2mm on a lot of pieces and my working area just sucked.  Yeah, some people say it's the skills, not the tools that make you a better craftsman, but I feel like I need the MFT/3 as it's another "tool" that will assist me to get the results I'm looking for.  Am I wrong for thinking this way?

I learned A TON from my first adventure.  Many of you will look at the photos and see the thing I made wasn't very impressive at the slightest, however, this whole thing stemmed from the fact that I wanted to learn and I used it as a learning experience, even though I spent almost $1000 in various tools, wood, etc (didn't even own a real drill previous to this, bought a Makita LXT 18v Li Ion). I am happy with the cabinet I made above because it's a perfect fit for what I wanted in there. The second I built one went together much nicer because I learned from all the previous mistakes, however, a couple areas could use improvement.  The experience I gained was priceless. 

Maybe it was the Makita saw that sucked?  No...it was me.  [sad]

So today, I bit the bullet and bought the MFT/3 in hopes that I can make more accurate cuts and also have a better surface to cut on rather than the foam on the floor of my garage.  Hopefully I can finally cut that shelf and also the frame rails.  I'm just a DIY guy, but I appreciate having nice tools that work well and are well made. 

Long story short, like most people, I was  [eek] when I saw the price of Festool but was  [drooling] over it.  However, Festool is similar to my Rupes LHR21es polisher that I use to detail cars.  The Rupes was a $400 Dual Action polisher, but my first polisher, a Porter Cable DA polisher, was $120 bucks.  The Rupes at more than 3x the price (Festool is kinda 3x the price of everything else on the market too...hmm), is a joy to use.  It cuts paint fast to bring out the clarity and shine, it's buttery smooth to use and doesn't leave your arms numb after using it for 6 hours (actually, you don't really use it for 6 hours because it does the job 2x faster than the Porter Cable DA), and it's a joy to use of course.

Hopefully, I'll be able to improve my skills and gain more experience.  Before years end, I want to get a Rotax 90 sander and CT MIDI.  Then I'll splurge and get a Kapex next year.  I have that cheap Ryboi chop saw (with a Diablo 60T blade, and it cuts nice because I just do straight cuts and 45 degree cuts) that I use right now to make canvas frames and the dust collection on it, like most miter saws, is non-existent.  Having nice tools, even though expensive, just make using them and working with them so much more enjoyable. 

Thanks for reading.  Hope to learn more from you guys.
 
It's harder than most people think to accurately process 8x4 sheet goods with track saws. You will find the MFT useful but it is not really big enough to process an 8x4 sheet. Most MFT owners will have a separate cutting table/setup for this particularly to do the rip (long) cuts. The MFT will be useful to square off the ends once all the rip cuts are done. A lot of people use the parallel guides for rip cutting which is useful if you are doing repetitive cuts.

However having a quick look at your pictures it seems that there are a some things you could do. The square you're using for full 8x4 sheets isn't really much use. A good way to check if your cut line is square is to measure both diagonals to check they are equal. You can also use the 3:4:5 triangle method. Mark a point say 600mm and 800mm either side of the right angle you are checking and then measure the the diagonal (hypotenuse) and it will be 1000mm if the angle is spot on. 

You could also invest in a Qwas square, made by a FOG member (Qwas):

http://www.qwasproducts.com/QwasSquare.html

Another FOG member (Richard/RMW) makes an alternative to the Festool parallel guides called Rip Guides:

http://www.ripdogs.com/rip-guides/
 
Your project looks at least as good as my first one did.

The idea that a track saw - or for that matter, any tool - will make your projects 'perfect' has sold many tools ... and generated equally as much frustration. While it's true that good quality tools make it EASIER to create more-perfect projects, it's the skill of the person using them that makes the difference. It's like the answer to the old question "How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, practice, practice!"

As you use your tools more you will become more accurate, more efficient, and faster. Please keep posting your projects here - we LOVE to see them!

And [welcome] to the FOG!

 
I won't be using the MFT/3 to process sheet goods, but I felt my problem was that I tried to get an accurate cut breaking down 4x8 sheets, and of course, that didn't work out too well.  Obviously, this was because of the lack of experience that I thought this...and also lack of thinking.  My hope is to break my sheet down to pieces I can manage and then use the MFT/3 to get the smaller pieces square and to the size I want as I feel the MFT/3 should get me closer?  Yes?  No?  [huh]

That was an older pic with that small 6" plastic speed square.  Later during the 2nd project bought a 12" square, which seems to have worked better? 

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I've been wanting to call up Wood Peckers to see if they have a timeline for the 12" or 18" carpenter triangles coming any time soon or if they'll ever be made again...

I also bought a "super" set of dogs sold by Bob Marino, 4 Qwas dogs and 2 rail dogs, but those are back ordered.  Hopefully the MFT/3 shows up next week sometime before the weekend so I have something to play with.
 
Just F Me said:
I won't be using the MFT/3 to process sheet goods, but I felt my problem was that I tried to get an accurate cut breaking down 4x8 sheets, and of course, that didn't work out too well.  Obviously, this was because of the lack of experience that I thought this...and also lack of thinking.  My hope is to break my sheet down to pieces I can manage and then use the MFT/3 to get the smaller pieces square and to the size I want as I feel the MFT/3 should get me closer?  Yes?  No?  [huh]

That was an older pic with that small 6" plastic speed square.  Later during the 2nd project bought a 12" square, which seems to have worked better? 

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I've been wanting to call up Wood Peckers to see if they have a timeline for the 12" or 18" carpenter triangles coming any time soon or if they'll ever be made again...

I also bought a "super" set of dogs sold by Bob Marino, 4 Qwas dogs and 2 rail dogs, but those are back ordered.  Hopefully the MFT/3 shows up next week sometime before the weekend so I have something to play with.

The bigger squares definitely seem to make it easier to get and stay square.

I, too, want one of the big Woodpeckers squares and don't own one. If I ever find somebody who has one and isn't using it, they are likely to become my new best friend...or me their worst enemy!

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[welcome] to the FOG.

For a first project i saw you have done very well. As to cutting sheet goods i find being higher is better. It saves your knees and back. A simple pair of saw horses and a few 4 x 2's will be easy to put away at the end of the day.

I normally just use a simple good quality framing square to keep things square, and so far have had good luck with it. :)
 
As a noob in woodworking, square is so irritating, but the biggest light bulb moment I've had is when I realized not to cut everything to final dimensions on the first cut. Cut to get it close then bring your piece to your work bench and cut it to get it exact. Plus it helps ( as others have said) a more accurate square, I personally like the incra t-rule and the fastcap flatback tape measurer. 

Btw. I'm glad you added a backer board cuz my first project didn't even have that, lol. Welcome to the FOG.
 
Not related to Festool at all but, I hope, in the spirit of the thread. My first ever project was an aquarium stand while I was in college for a 55 gallon aquarium. I got the frame pieces cut and put together from 2x4's and it turned out twisted up as a pretzel. I remember my disgust with myself for obviously cutting something wrong, I decided to just scrap in and start over. So the girlfriend and I (now wife, poor thing) headed back to the box store for more lumber. Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. How could they do this and get away with it?! Ridiculous!! Yep, they were selling lumber....that was crooked!! It wasn't me, it was the wood! (What can I say, I was an economics major)

Anyway my point was I'm glad you're not being too hard on yourself. I suspect most of us if we're honest have first projects just like yours and a whole lot worse.

BTW, for that project on the second attempt I picked out the straightest 2x4's I could find and sheathed it in plywood and painted it. It turned out pretty damn good for a college kid with a used $10 B&D circular saw and an old corded non-reversible 1/4" drill :D
Aquarium and stand are long gone but I still have that drill!
 
waterloomarc said:
Aquarium and stand are long gone but I still have that drill!

I thought for sure you were going to say "...but I still have that girl!"

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The MFT will help, but you'll want a large square to align the fence to the rail.  Larger is better.  I prefer a 26" square to a 12" framing square.  If not that, then use the dogs and align everything to the MFT grid. 

But that's only half of it.  Some form of parallel guide (festool or aftermarket) is necessary to get the rips dead parallel.  Whether or not you get them, mark the rip you referenced off of when doing your cross cuts.  Reference both cross cuts off that rip.  If your rips aren't quite right, you place the rip you referenced off of facing front and hide the slight error in the back of the cabinet.
 
There is a thought process to sheet goods. I always scribble an "x" or marking on the sides of the sheet that just got processed. My first ripped edge gets and x, then the first squared up end cut gets and x, now I know which sides to place against fences etc…

1. Rip a clean straight edge (usually in the long direction) OR cross cut to a rough length that fits your track then rip a clean edge

2. Use the newly ripped edge to find you parallel cut.

3. Now take the material to the MFT, cross cut one end square

4. Flip it over while keeping the same side of the sheet against the fence as the first cut. While this shouldn't be necessary it helps incase something is slightly off.

5. Assuming your doing a set of something, all you parts at this time would be ready for final cut to length. Set a stop on the MFT fence and carefully place all parts against fence and stops. Cut, repeat.

I just went through a longer processing session with 9 of these units to store sustainers in. I was overwhelmed by the amount of storage and decided to use them in my apartment.
 

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Good luck with the MFT take the time to set it up correctly. I was a little disappointed when I first got mine as it was not as stable as I had hoped however the leg braces make a big difference.

Remember that sheet goods are rarely absolutely square and the edges may not be parallel. The first rip should be a to take a few mm of the long edge to give you a straight edge to work from and to reference from for cross cutting to ensure that you pieces are square
 
Welcome!

That's an excellent first effort, and I was in a similar boat - everyone was asking why I didn't just buy an outdoor table from a big box shop, but my reply was "then I wouldn't learn anything!".

If there's one lesson that I learnt at that point in time, I would say "consistency trumps accuracy". Look to see if you can get "repeatability" and that should also help your squareness issues.

Looking forward to learning with you!  [big grin]
 
Looking forward to it guys!  The MFT/3 comes in on Friday, that means the wood chucking party starts on Friday night!
 
the mft/3 is plenty big enough to cut sheet goods if you add some of rmw's 8020 based "arms".
 
GOT8SPD said:
Looking forward to it guys!  The MFT/3 comes in on Friday, that means the wood chucking party starts on Friday night!

You forgot to send out the invitations! We need your address.

[big grin]
 
wow said:
GOT8SPD said:
Looking forward to it guys!  The MFT/3 comes in on Friday, that means the wood chucking party starts on Friday night!

You forgot to send out the invitations! We need your address.

[big grin]

Here's the address where the party will be...

Directions To:  Festool MFT/3 Assembly and Wood Chucking Party - Friday, August 29

2 more days till it gets here!  Darn it feels like forever!  I hope it doesn't arrived damaged  [crying]  I bought it from Bob Marino as I heard he goes above and beyond so I'm hopeful that it's packaged well.  90lbs!  [eek]
 
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