C or T series Drill?

[Brice Burrell]

JMB, I was pretty sure we'd see an updated version of the T series even when I bought my T15 drills two years ago.  I agree it was very shortsighted of the engineers to not include these features from the beginning.  In the end having the drills for the last two years was worth over waiting.  I may spend the money and upgrade to belt clip batteries.

Dieter, be sure to post some pictures of that yacht you're working on. 

 

[dieter]

Will do, its a 55 feeter. And at the moment its ugly as hell but as soon I ve got removed the stinky shellfish from the hull I will post some pictures. The smell is disguisting... [blink]

 

[windmill man]

Got to ask. What is the second item (2) on your PDF. Dont recognise what it is.

John

 

[jmbfestool]

JMB, I was pretty sure we'd see an updated version of the T series even when I bought my T15 drills two years ago.  I agree it was very shortsighted of the engineers to not include these features from the beginning.  In the end having the drills for the last two years was worth over waiting.  I may spend the money and upgrade to belt clip batteries.

Dieter, be sure to post some pictures of that yacht you're working on. 

I didnt. The only reason I found Fog was the complain about how many problems I was having with the T15 remember? I have been a member ever since moaning about other things since then lol  [tongue]

I already own a 18V batterie with belt clip but only works on my Carvex and I have hooked my carvex on my belt but as you would imagine dont really hook my carvex on my belt often! Two reason! 1. you dont really need to carry your carvex with you all the time like a Drill! 2. a little scary incase the carvex accidentally gets switched on while its hanging on your belt! ( it happend with me on a roof I placed it in the valley on the roof it slide down couple of mm i think and the switched must of caught something and the jig saw switched on and started going crazy I had to run up the valley to switch it off I thought it had cut through the lead work but lucky me it had not just hit a few tiles as it was sliding down so didnt do my blade any good.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

Got to ask. What is the second item (2) on your PDF. Dont recognise what it is.

John

Looks like a  cheap mans Rotex!  lol Hand powered Rotex in a T-loc  [tongue]

JMB

 

[dieter]

John, its a kind of Oil dispencing kit. Its used to conserve timber with oil. Hope I could help...

 

[Brice Burrell]

Got to ask. What is the second item (2) on your PDF. Dont recognise what it is.

John

Here's what Mr. Google says:

"Oil dispenser SURFIX
The ash-filled Ölfl is snapped into the base plate
and used as a handle. The oil is metered through the
Pressure on the bottle.
• The sponge absorbs oil supernatants, indicating they
place again
• High quality natural oil for every application"

If that doesn't clear it up for you I don't know what will.  [big grin]

 

[Brice Burrell]

Not to get to far side tracked but did you see item # 5 in the pdf?  You guys across the pound are getting a new set of Festool/Stabila levels. 

LEV 350 (Länge 350 mm) 38,00 497846
LEV 800 (Länge 800 mm) 87,00 497847
LEV 800 digital (Länge 800 mm) 225,00 497848
LEV 1400 (Länge 1400 mm) 136,00 497849

 

[dieter]

Yes, but they are not cheap... [huh]

 

[windmill man]

Hi Brice,

I did notice but looked away quickly,Even though there are pictures , It did not happen and the new levels don't exist.

Thanks for that Dieter, Interesting thing but not a" have to" festool bit of kit.

Back to your original post.

T or C,  Well I have both, T15 lion and an old C12. Got the T15 first, it was a replacement for a drill that died, love it. Looked at the C at the time and it just felt weired in the hand and out of balance so got the T. Few months later went back to the dealers to get another T15. The dealer said you got to have the C as its better design in his opinion . In the end he lent me a C for a fortnight. During that fortnight I converted from T to C. If I could only have one drill it would be a C. Will shortly be getting a new c15 as the c12 is getting tired.

The C is a drill that grows on you .

Best John

 

[Christian A.]

Its going to be T/C 15 Series which is over 1kg lighter than my current Makita Tool. The Makita was a brilliant drill for many years but now the gear makes some noises and the batteries are not fresh anymore..

Please make sure that you don't compare apples to oranges. The weight numbers quoted on the German Festool website refer to the drill equipped with the Centrotec chuck. The drills are heavier with the regular FastFix cuck installed.
This is how much the C12 Li weighs in different configurations according to my (simple) kitchen scales. I also measured the length of the tool.

• Festool C 12 Li, 10.8 V/1.3 Ah LI-battery, with 13 mm FastFix chuck: 1569 g; 198 mm
• Festool C 12 Li, 10.8 V/1.3 Ah LI-battery, with Centrotec chuck: 1353 g; 173 mm
• Festool C 12 Li, 10.8 V/1.3 Ah LI-battery, no chuck(s): 1305 g; 151 mm

I totally agree with you JMB, the light is really a handy feature which should be integrated in the tools from the beginning on. However, the angle chuck is a fantastic option and is the reason why its going to be festool set.

I appreciate a thoroughly constructed built-in light. And it seems that these (kind of) lights are hard to find. From my experiences the built-in LEDs on many cordless drills (for example, Bosch PS20, Dewalt DCD710S2, Makita BHP/BDF 440 etc.) are rather useless because they illuminate an area below the drill bit/screw and hide the drill bit/screw in shadow.

Have a nice weekend,

Christian

 

[joraft]

... These are the cases where the C-Drill is more suitable. Should I buy both? [unsure]

That's always been my approach, when in doubt, get one of each.  [smile]

 

[dieter]

Joraft, maybe I do so and buy both. At the moment the Kapex 120 Kit and the Rotex 150 did a dent in the pocket...

 

[mosez]

the oil dispenser seems like a nice idea...
the sponge is kept in a water and airproof box and i guess you save a lot of otherwise wasted oil. anyways - expensive stuff coming up...

 

[tjbier]

I was at my Festool dealer today and held the C12, but it seemed a bit  heavier than the T15.
I am waiting for the C15, however I am buying the CSX when  it arrives here, just too light not to give it a try.
They both have there purpose, but if I were buying one it would be the T15/18. 

 

[mlfaber]

I own the C-12 and could not imagine being without it and all of the diff. chucks.  However, when it came time to buy a second drill I looked at the T-15 but wanted a light on it.  Instead of waiting I ended up getting the new 3 speed, brushlees motor impact driver from Makita.  This thing is awesome!!!  Brushless technology, 3 speeds,  under 3lbs. (I think), Li-ion 3 amp hour batteries, everything is electronically controlled (like the festools), and I got a third battery for free.  Not to mention they have a ton of bare Li-ion tools available.  Talk about wrist saving power.  I love Festool drills, and could not imagine being w/o my C drill but I think I am really complimenting one another this way.

 

[builderbob]

I have the older C12 with the NIMh batteries and the Li-Ion T12. I love them both and use them equally when I install kitchens and make my custom built-ins. The NiMh batteries were tanks this winter and am considering buying another pair for my T12 so it won't require a warm up time. But that's for another thread!

Bob

 

[luke1984]

hi iv got the t18+3 and is fantastic. iv used a c12 before and don't ask why but the t feels better to use.

 

[Mac]

... These are the cases where the C-Drill is more suitable. Should I buy both? [unsure]

That's always been my approach, when in doubt, get one of each.  [smile]

One of everything, didn't you mean John..?  [poke] [bite tongue]

 

[pingvinlakrits]

I won't even reveal how many drills I have  [embarassed] but I was hoping I would get by with just the C15 "on the job" and for a long time I did. At home I use the old C12, the new C12 and the CXS with the CXS working extra as a side kick to the C15 on some jobs. On a recent build I actually ended up needing (not wanting, mind you) another drill, and to keep the batteries in order with "cross-drill-compatibility" on the job I got the T15+3 to go with the C15 and I love them both.

The PERFECT drill would be a C15 drill with the grip of the T12+3. OR the T15+3 the size of the T12+3. The T12+3 is the most comfortable drill in the Festool line up (I think) and pretty much the only one I don't use of them. Go figure.

I love the C-drills but the grip is not as good as on the T-series and not as good as on Hitachi and some of the Makitas. Why Festool, why?  ???

I also have a new found respect for the old C12 as it has proven itself for heavy duty - it had only seen light use around home as I figured it was not powerful enough for some of my jobs but it has done remarkably well.

My C15 did not seem to be up to spec until it was "broken in" and for a time I thought it was underperforming but it picked up after some use and was the only battery drill we had that would drive our specialty screws (8x240mm TX40) all the way on a recent job - and we had over a hundred screws to drive home.
A Milwaukee, a Makita and new Bosch all failed but the C15 (and the T15,  after some break in time too!) delivered the goods.

Festool has acquitted itself as a hard *ss drill on the job site and I have now replaced all my Makitas with Festool - something I was reluctant to do before since I didn't think the Festool's had the oomph - but they do.  

One negative with the Festools are that they are not very hard wearing and our new drills looked lpretty scuffed up after just a couple of days.