C18 Li finally

neeleman

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On the EKAT I spotted the C18 Li.
Would it really be true that this model is coming soon?
The picture below doesn't show much information except that the model number is mentioned in the list on the left.
And it has an 8 digit number just as the new TXS and updated CXS.
Unfortunately no sign of a TI18 yet which I was hoping for.

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I agree, Festool finally has come with the Basic concept on all battery powered machines.
The batteries have really dropped in price as well. Here the 18V-5.2Ah is cheaper then the 15V-5.2Ah battery.
Now they should come with other Basic battery powered machines like a grinder, recipro saw, etc.

Please Festool hurry up otherwise I have to buy some battery powered machines with another colour.
 
Good Festool finally embraces the "Basic" concept. But they still don't get it entirely, why oh why do they have to push a Systainer with it? 
 
Alex said:
Good Festool finally embraces the "Basic" concept. But they still don't get it entirely, why oh why do they have to push a Systainer with it?
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It's OK Alex,

You can send all of your unwanted systainers to me. I'll "dispose" of them properly, I promise!! [drooling]

Cheers,

Frank
 
SittingElf said:
You can send all of your unwanted systainers to me. I'll "dispose" of them properly, I promise!! [drooling]
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Meh, I'm sure you do Frank.  [big grin]  [wink]

In the six years I've been busy with Festool now I think I've sold about 10 times as much systainers as I own. Never a problem to get rid of them. It's just that a "basic" version should be as basic as it can get, and not "basic" with stuff you might not need added anyway. If they want to offer it with a systainer for those who need one, fine, but they should also offer one without systainer, a true BASIC version.

 
A C18? Now!!?

It is a cruel joke, a C18 _finally_ emerges after I have "half-jumped ship" and sold off my C15/Ti15 and ordered TWO Bosch 18V Flexiclick just the other week... ...there was no drill in the Festool 18V range that suited me and I was stuck with 14,4V and 18V mixed machines from Festool.  I thought that they would never release a C18 so I had "given up" on Festool since I am not interested in the last years recent and clumsy 18V offerings.

I think I will take my BHC18 off the market, sit on it for a while and see how the Bosch experience pans out.

[unsure]

 
Hey,
a few things: a colleague runs Bosch 18v machines so we can mix and match our stuff.

The Bosch 18V hammer drill is on par with the BHC18 though the BHC18 has better antivibration control. It does not bother me much as I don't cramp up when I drill, I let the drill do the job instead of pushing hard. For holesawing larger holes I find the Bosch is better. Also the Bosch does light chiseling which is handy.

The Bosch GDX VE impact is a better impact than the Ti15 and handles great. I sometimes need an impact, though not too often. It drills very well too. I think the newer Bosch drills are more reliable than Festool.

Bosch has showed that 18V machines can be made light, strong and durable. The PDC is a clumsy machine and not something I would enjoy using as a go-to machine. Same with the T18 - it should have been the size of the T12 to appeal to me. I work a lot with the drills so lightweight and great grip are must haves for me.

I have had electronic failures on ALL my Festool drills. One T15 burned out. One C15 did not change rotation at times and continued to drive in rather than back out... ...after a week at Festool it came back untouched and only after I showed the rep the fault was it sent back again and was in for a full month before having a circuit board replaced. Still had the problem!!!
Gave that C15 away and got a new one after a year - it has the same problem... A guy at work borrowed it quickly and asked if the rotation on Festool "is the other way around?" on which I replied: sometimes...  The C15 grip is somewhat thicker than the C12 (old one) and with gloves I find the C15 not so comfortable. The T-drills are all comfortable but the magic is in the C grip for me. My main gripe with a C18 would be that the grip would be the same as C15.

So, I've kept the CXS for my Centrotec stuff and have set my mind on Bosch for a great grip, 18V machine versatility and reliability. We'll se how it pans out. All machines I have tried so far work great.
The new Bosch Flexiclick has a locking hex bit holder and is lightweight and strong with a great grip. It is at the collection point and I will pick a pair of Flexiclicks up tomorrow morning. :)
 
Henrik, thanks for your explanation. I have another favor to ask you... Could you post some pictures showing how the Bosch quick change chucks work with other attachments? I noticed that these Bosch drills have a nice 1/4" quick-change chuck instead of a proprietary Centrotec chuck at the base of the driver. I'm curious to see how Bosch allows the quick-change chuck to lock onto a bit but not stay locked onto any other attachments/chucks.

If you can add some pictures please post them in this related thread and I'll keep watching it for updates:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/new-fesboschtool-drills-lol/msg370302/#msg370302
Thanks
:)

 
The C18 Li notification in the EKAT has been removed.
Was it a fault of one of the employees to add the C18 to soon on the EKAT or will the C18 never hit the market?
We'll have to wait until the new releases in the Summer or Autumn 2015.
 
TelcoRandy: I was at the depot outside of town to pick it up but they had shipped the parcel to another depot... ...it is supposed to arrive there any minute/hour now but it is on the last stretch of the route. It is three minutes from home so I am a little ticked off that they didn't select that depot from the beginning. It would have saved me an hour in rush hour traffic - and I got back empty handed [mad].

Will add my thoughts to the thread you linked to as soon as I get it. :)

Neeleman: well, I hope it was not a typo. Festool needs a C18 in the line up. :)
 
I never liked the grip of the C12/15 Li versions.
The grip is to thick and you cannot put your hand higher up.
And I don't think the C18 will be different.
The older C12 NiCd version was slightly better.
But still not like the CDD versions which were one of the original C-type versions.
To my opinion the C series is much better of with lightweight batteries like the 1.5 Ah version.

What Festool and I need is a TI 18 Impact driver.
 
Well, I think you are right in your thinking. I liked the C12 (NiMH) and it was a great allrounder for me. I was surprised that the C15 grip was worse. With gloves even worse still. I still like the C15 for light weight, bit garage and power. A C18 with a better grip would be excellent for me but since that isn't going to happen I would hope that the grip is not worse than on the C15.

I don't know how they design the grips but it seems they don't factor in that some people wear gloves all day. I have never had a problem with a grip being "too narrow" and I have medium sized hands.

And yes, Festool really needs a T18 Impact, an impact that does not try to be anything other than an impact, like the Ti15. I did like the Ti15 though I think it was an odd machine that had no real appeal in the line up.

With 18V machines coming down in size and weight I personally don't see any meaning in having a line up inbetween the 10,8V and the 18V line up - and that is coming from a guy who has practically always used 14,4V machines.
 
neeleman said:
The C18 Li notification in the EKAT has been removed.
Was it a fault of one of the employees to add the C18 to soon on the EKAT or will the C18 never hit the market?
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Heh.

I doubt they'd have someone make an EKAT page if they weren't planning to release it.
 
After talking to a rep that usually is in the know he phoned Festool up today to ask and they said that C18 was not going to happen soon - something about the machine not being suitable for that kind of power with the ergonomics / wrist load.

That is word from Festool.

The rep also said that there will be a new Kapex, for sure. It is a smaller Kapex and it will be perfect for me. My Kapex is more or less stationary and I would have great use for a smaller unit.
It is not due out until fall, during the next drive/campaign. He will get one for himself and I am so getting it.

I don't even know the specs of it but the keywords: "Kapex" and "smaller" triggered a salivating reaction.  [big grin]
 
[member=2047]henrik[/member] > did you receive your Bosch 18v drills yet? How are you liking them? Any chance you could post some pics? :)
 
Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits said:
After talking to a rep that usually is in the know he phoned Festool up today to ask and they said that C18 was not going to happen soon - something about the machine not being suitable for that kind of power with the ergonomics / wrist load.

That is word from Festool...
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I wonder why that would be an issue for Festool, the C15 is overpowered for how it's supposed to be held. If you're in 1st Gear and on maximum torque you have to grip the thing with your other hand by the battery to get enough leverage to fight the torque of the drill...

And Dutchie, see this post: http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/new-fesboschtool-drills-lol/msg371576/#msg371576
 
Telcorandy:

Yes, I find it a bit "over the top" with that sentiment from Festool. My C15 is a potential wristbreaker too, a few more NM torque would not make any difference. But, that was official word from Festool straight off the phone, the store rep rolled his eyes a little when he gave me the explanation.

Dutchie: see the link as per above. :)
 
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