When will Metric Tools return?

Actually  I find this converation funny. For the logest time here folks were complaining why didnt festool make tools using the imperial system. Now that they do everyone is complaining why dont them make metric.

to me it really doesnt matter. As I previously said I have a contractor calc app on my Iphone and Ipad and it converts back and forth in seconds.
 
That means people want the option to buy it in either metric or imperial.

What's the name of the contractor calculator app that you use?
 
jobsworth said:
Actually  I find this converation funny. For the logest time here folks were complaining why didnt festool make tools using the imperial system. Now that they do everyone is complaining why dont them make metric.
Not quite. Those are different people. One group wants metric, another wants imperial. What we need is a choice.
 
Svar said:
jobsworth said:
Actually  I find this converation funny. For the logest time here folks were complaining why didnt festool make tools using the imperial system. Now that they do everyone is complaining why dont them make metric.
Not quite. Those are different people. One group wants metric, another wants imperial. What we need is a choice.

Exactly!

neilc said:
You can contact Festool USA (festoolusa.com) and they have conversion kits available for the tools.  To my knowledge things like thread pitch for adjustment are still in metric, and for the most part you are looking at changing a scale.

Reach out them via phone and it might be easier to get metric conversions than to debate it here.

I called Festool Canada about the TS 55 sticker. They told me to order it from my preferred dealer period.  [eek]
 
Svar said:
jobsworth said:
Actually  I find this converation funny. For the logest time here folks were complaining why didnt festool make tools using the imperial system. Now that they do everyone is complaining why dont them make metric.
Not quite. Those are different people. One group wants metric, another wants imperial. What we need is a choice.

Trust me, If festool were to include a metric or imperial scale for the user to install with every purchase, we'd be here in a year or so someone would be complaining because they had to put it on themselves.

Cant satisfy everyone.

As I said I go to my construction calc and if for example,

I had to cut a piece of wood 23 62/64, needed it in metric id punch it in and it would give me 602.8062mm

If I had to cut a piece of wood thats 1023.5612mm punch it in and it gives me 40 5/16 " to easy.
 
I have a TS55 with Imperial, a Domino 700 with metric (and Seneca shim/adapter to make easier easier to use smaller stock and imperial measurements).  The rest of my Festools (Kapex and sanders) don't have any measurements at all :-)

The rest of my shop is imperial.  I do most of my work with Imperial, but can deal with metric as needed. 
 
I would understand Festool's point if they weren't already making the damn tools!

From a business side, they and their distributors would be left in a situation where they either have to stock more inventory, or delivery wouldn't be as quick. I prefer that over the proverbial middle finger.
 
Last summer I was using my metric TS 55 and my imperial HKC on the same job and swapping between the 2 saws for cutting tasks. At the end of 4 days I was so fed up with this goofy metric/imperial issue that Festool forced on us, that I decided to make a few phone calls and locate a metric OF 1400 to go with my OF 1010 and a metric TSC 55. I purchased both at the local Woodcraft...the last one's they had for sale.

If I need a TS 75 in the future, I'll look for an older metric TS 75 saw instead.

 
jpmeunier said:
I would understand Festool's point if they weren't already making the darn tools!

From a business side, they and their distributors would be left in a situation where they either have to stock more inventory, or delivery wouldn't be as quick. I prefer that over the proverbial middle finger.

Your feelings might be different if YOU were the one who had all those dollars tied up in inventory. 

just my  [2cents]

Peter
 
Buying Festool made my transition to metric, and now I buy everything in metric.  All my extensive Woodpeckers are metric and I use Hultafors tapes, and Wiha folding rules.  I have a conversion App on my phone and Construction Master calculators that make everything easy.  Thank heavens I bought all my Festools before corporate made their stupid decision.
 
jobsworth said:
Actually  I find this converation funny. For the logest time here folks were complaining why didnt festool make tools using the imperial system. Now that they do everyone is complaining why dont them make metric.

to me it really doesnt matter. As I previously said I have a contractor calc app on my Iphone and Ipad and it converts back and forth in seconds.

People don't want an app, and it's not about converting or how hard it is. It's about that matter this situation shouldn't exist at all.

Selling both is the direct option/fix.  Clearly if people had to wait a bit longer to get the tool metric people would be fine with that, but at least they would have a native tool, not a gender changed one.

Bigger picture goes back to corporate responsibility and stewardship.  Most companies understand the value of doing the right thing and being a good "citizen".  Thus why they do things like make efforts to be environmentally friendly, or said sustainably harvested trees, maybe push recycling, maybe get out front on social change issues. Basically they put the effort forth to be good exampled and be ahead of society.  They were doing that.  Suddenly going inch in a market flies in the face of that.  While it's not right for other companies to slap inch labels on their tools even though they aren't metric in design.  No others am I aware of that decided to take a step back.  Those companies just haven't taken that last step forwards.  Going from metric to inch is going backwards, along with forcing it on all people even when a lot of us are not metric and as a society we have been going metric for a long time, even when others just haven't noticed.  It's poor corporate responsibility on a company to do that.

If a Germany car company pulled all their diesel/gas/electric cars from the US market and replaced them with Coal burning cars on the basis that the US still uses a lot of coal it would not go over well.  You don't go backwards as a company even if there is no legal obligation to go any particular way.

It's not just about conversions, for some of us it's simply down to Ethics.  Inch system is something that everyone should actively be eliminating, and 96% of the world has done a good job at it.  And within the US inch based system are gone in most of our country/industries/etc, with just a thin last little bit, which happens to be the last little be people tend to see.  Getting rid of inch based system entirely is very easy. Most people will instantly adjust as they are already doing it a lot.  If tomorrow all road signs were converted, fuel pumps too, and with a push of a button our cars instrument clusters switched, the vast majority would go with it without a hitch or issue.  We are basically a "Dagen H Day" away from doing it in this country.  But soon as companies do as Festool did, or people go "just use this app, it's fine" we take step back from the switch.  You encourage a baby to stand and then to walk.  You don't show it how it can live its life crawling on the floor just because it falls a few times.
 
I hope they get back to metric fast!  I would sleep better!  Glad all my festools are metric.
 
As an outsider observer, I think some here are missing the voltage issue, which is related. Almost all of Festool's market outside the US and Canada is Metric and 220/240V. The exception is 110V on some building sites in the UK.

Consequently Festool has now committed the majority of its 110V production to Imperial. Well st least the application of guides with Imperial stickers.  [smile] I wonder which days if the week Routers for NA are made?[big grin]

I think a Metric is the go, and I have used it most of my adult life. My childhood was Imperial, but I rarely use it. But Hey?  I do not live in NA.  [eek]  [smile]

As to Festool's reasoning?! In part  - see #13

In the past they offered consumer applied Imperial Stickers, why not Metric stickers now. The tools are still Metric.
 
Untidy Shop said:
The tools are still Metric.

Bingo...that’s my biggest knee-jerk reaction to Festool’s decision. The tools are still metric, it’s the scales that are FUBAR.

When I set my HKC to saw a kerf that is 3/16” (.1875”) deep, it instead cuts a kerf that is 5mm (.1969”) deep that’s how it works. In other words, I’ve now cut completely through the wood. That’s not good. 
Festool’s solution was a half-baked marketing attempt to drum up some more USA business with a minimum of tooling investment.  Simple as that, minimize your expenses, maximize your profits.
It’s a bit like Ford USA introducing their new “metricized” Escape for the foreign market because it now has a 30 liter gas tank, while nothing else changed.
 
Untidy Shop said:
[size=13pt]As an outsider observer, I think some here are missing the voltage issue, which is related. Almost all of Festool's market outside the US and Canada is Metric and 220/240V. The exception is 110V on some building sites in the UK.

Consequently Festool has now committed the majority of its 110V production to Imperial.



Well, this is a whole different issue that really shouldn't exist.  Festool could/should just make their tools universal.  Do as other electronic device industries learned long ago, make your products 100-240VAC 50/60hz,  ship with correct plug-it cord for country shipped too.  It's one thing when your tools run synchronous AC motors in them, you have no choice but to redesign for each Voltage/frequency combo you want to sell into.  It's down right crazy to make tools with brushless/permanent mag motors and not do this since you all ready put all the control circuitry in there, now you just need to build it to cover the range.  Power comes in, rectify to what every the internal DC bus on the tool is (hint, pick the same bus voltage as the battery you want to use on cordless tools).  Now you can use all the same parts for your battery tools as cordless tools, and or just do as some companies are catching on to, make all your tools cordless and have "batteries" that are just rectifiers that bring in power from the mains and convert to the same voltage your battery system uses.    No more country specific tools, no more having to decided cordless or corded, the tool is always the same, just ship the wall adapters (IE tool mounted wallwarts/recitfiers) out for each country.  Bonus for customers, they can run off the wall/vaccum when they want, but if they need to go "off grid" slap a battery on instead.

The situation Festool got themselves into far as motors/voltages/etc is a completely self inflicted problem others avoided or are now avoiding.  If Black & Decker/Dewalt  can figure this out, so can Festool.
 
Untidy Shop said:


In the past they offered consumer applied Imperial Stickers, why not Metric stickers now. The tools are still Metric.

Well, I don't think many people want a sticker, I know I don't.  I would more say if there are real parts, toss them in the box.  I believe on the routers it's a part that they send to people to replace, so just toss it in the box from the start.  On the saws they say it has to go back to them for the change, not a fan of that. And since I'm going to be taking the tool apart anyways for regular cleaning/inspection or if it ever has an issue, just send it to me in the box and I can swap it from the start.  If someone is the type who doesn't do fairly regular tear downs on their tools, they could still send it to Festool, and the part would be right there for them.  Still in the end, that just should be a path folks have to go down.
 
GoingMyWay said:
That means people want the option to buy it in either metric or imperial.

What's the name of the contractor calculator app that you use?

Calculated Industries sells apps and physical calculators for doing conversions for all sorts of applications. I have one of their construction calculators that gets a lot of use as well as one of their apps that does temp weight and volume conversions. The physical calculators are available at the orange and blue home centers.
http://www.calculated.com/
 
I use Calculated Industries desk and pocket calculators and a free app called Unit Converter on my phone.
 
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Thats what I use they have a app I use on my iPhone and IPad. So this metric Imperial thing is a nothing burger
 
Thanks for the recommendations for Calculated Industries.  I'm terrible at math and really struggle with the fractions.  It looks like the Measure Master Pro Calculator would be very helpful to me.
 
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