cabinet doors hinge jig help

[rljatl]

Sommerfeld also makes a pocket hole jig.

Sommerfeld Pocket Hole Jig

 

[Michael Kellough]

Tom, nice job on the dust mod for your Kreg jig.
It's surprising how much debris results from drilling a pocket hole.

If I remember correctly Kreg and Marc Sommerfeld developed the pocket hole system together.

Thanks for the correction on the CMT hole boring jig and the warning about non-Blum hardware. There are several settings for hole center to edge distance but I don't know if any are exactly compatible with Grass etc.

 

[honeydoman]

Kreg tool company has a brand new Kreg pocket hole jig out now or any day it has the new no need adjustment clamp it is great news. Go to their website for details

 

[mastercabman]

If appears you cannot drill the 2.5 mm holes with the Sommerfiled or Blum jig, only 8 mm mounting holes. The Sommerfield will not drill for the 11 mm x 45 mm Grass hinges either. I would not expect the Blum to drill for the Grass, other brands should be able to.

That's ok  Grass sucks anyway! [laughing]

 

[tjbnwi]

If appears you cannot drill the 2.5 mm holes with the Sommerfiled or Blum jig, only 8 mm mounting holes. The Sommerfield will not drill for the 11 mm x 45 mm Grass hinges either. I would not expect the Blum to drill for the Grass, other brands should be able to.

That's ok   Grass sucks anyway! [laughing]

It sucks more when you end up with it unexpectedly.

I want to know what the guy who started this all ended up doing???

Tom

 

[mastercabman]

If appears you cannot drill the 2.5 mm holes with the Sommerfiled or Blum jig, only 8 mm mounting holes. The Sommerfield will not drill for the 11 mm x 45 mm Grass hinges either. I would not expect the Blum to drill for the Grass, other brands should be able to.

That's ok   Grass sucks anyway! [laughing]

It sucks more when you end up with it unexpectedly.

I want to know what the guy who started this all ended up doing???

Tom

I think you are talking about 42mm
blum uses 45mm
I have use grass hinges many many time with my ecodrill
from what I remember the 42mm is an older version

 

[tjbnwi]

You are correct, it's an 11x42. Blum and all the others i know of are 9.5 x 45.

They're still in the Grass catalog, I have a friend who uses them exclusively on his commercial cabinets.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Drill press and a fence makes quick work of them especially with a couple stops.   The use a Vix bit to drill pilot holes for the screws. Takes almost as long to type as to actually do it.   Unless you are making doors on site I see no reason for a jig.  

Not all the hinges have the same centerline distance from edge of door. Your drill press fence needs to be adjustable.

The jig eliminates 3 steps and 3 motions.

1) square hinge to door edge

2) drill hole "A", while trying to hold hinge square to edge  

3) drill hole "B", while trying to hold hinge square to edge

The drill press is why I feel the CMT jig is superior to the others available, can be used it on a drill press or "free hand". The fence is also easy to adjust.

Tom

A little dramatic but if you need justification a $200+ tool....

Who has a non-adjustable drill press fence?   I set the fence in seconds using a drill bit as a gauge for the offset distance from a forstner bit.   Unless you are using different hinges for different parts of a project, that needs to be done once.   I then mark the distance from top and bottom on one door with a square and use that to set left and right stops.   Maybe another 30s and then that's done for all doors using that top/bottom distance.    The hinges usually are a fairly snug fit in the 1-3/8 hole and set square in 1s with a small square.  And the system is adjustable to anybody's hinge.   The project I'm doing right now has 8 doors and I bet I spent < 10 minutes drilling the 35mm holes.  Installing hinges once the doors are finished, including drilling the pilot holes will take about that.  

If you want to buy a $200+ tool to install hinges, buy a CXS.

How is pointing out the steps dramatic?

I bet your drill press cost more than $200.00.

You assume it does not have end stops, it does.

So all the time added together for 16 hinges is, by your estimate 20 minutes. That's 12 minutes longer than I would need to spend, also I don't have to drill into a finished product.

Good luck boring for the 8 mm press ins on that finished door.

I can easily take it in the filed to bore hinges. This has happened on numerous occasions. I've lent it to others to do work in their shop and the field.  

I do own the CSX, great drill.

If you want to step out of the stone age when it comes to boring for hinges, buy a CMT jig.

Tom

 

[butzla]

If you are only making 10 or 20 doors, no jig is necessary if you have a drill press.  Just clamp a low profile fence behind the forstner bit for a stop and a stop block at either end and you're good to go. 

 

[tiralie]

Not all the hinges have the same centerline distance from edge of door. Your drill press fence needs to be adjustable.

The jig eliminates 3 steps and 3 motions.

1) square hinge to door edge

2) drill hole "A", while trying to hold hinge square to edge 

3) drill hole "B", while trying to hold hinge square to edge

The drill press is why I feel the CMT jig is superior to the others available, can be used it on a drill press or "free hand". The fence is also easy to adjust.

If anyone (in Canada) is interested, these CMT jigs are currently on sale $70.00 off and free shipping at Elite tools in Canada.
You can't buy the Blum jig for that price and I think this jig is a better machine.
Thanks to Tom for the recommendation.
Tim

 

[VW mick]

Jake

You don't even need a drill press I have just always used my 1/2 in router .you can set fence from the edge and set the depth .
Just a couple of pencil marks on the back of the door (usually 75-100mm up and down ) and done

I use a 35mm cutter from trend can't remember the ref