Cabinets - to build myself or buy...(long)

There has been a lot of very good advice here.  i think you have made the right decision.

When I was a mason contractor (this isn't about cabinets, but the philosophy is the same), I did a lot of custom work, especially very off shoot style fireplaces.  I loved it when a customer asked me to design something unusual.  Those were the most enjoyable, as well as time consuming, jobs. 

along the way, i landed an account working for a builder whose work i did for over twenty years until i had to retire (back problems did me in finally)  He often gave me free reighn for fireplace, and even some exterior masonry projects, designs.  When we were working on custom jobs with direct contact with the home owner, we got along great.  Everybody was happy.  we made money and the customer received complete satisfaction from an unusual job well done that they could show off for their friends.

Towards the end of our relationship (we remained friends, I just could not handle te bending over masonry any more), we got into several spec house jobs.  the builder decided there was more money in specing than in custom jobbing.  Of course the realtors suddenly showed their heads and we found ourselves in debates when it came to trying to design in some originality and immagination.  They just would not stand for that.  The pricing was based more on space and location than on (extra) quality of craftsmanship.  As long as it looked good, they could sell it.  If the cost to design extra quality was to be greater than the house down the road, forget it.  Let the new owners add their own immagination and quality AFTER they buy.  Just make it look good for the sale.

That was pounded into us time and again.  The builder finally got out of the spec home biz and went back to custom jobs.

Tinker
 
Carl,

I would agree that you have probably made a good decision. While this is not your case, and I am very glad that it isn't, several years ago my wife, who was fighting terminal cancer, wanted new kitchen cabinets. I am not a pro woodworker, and had no real experience at installing cabinets for that matter, but I would have loved to have used that project to learn about cabinetmaking by starting from scratch. Instead, we bought some high-end cabinets and I installed them and in the process learned quite a bit about cabinet installation. I also got the project done in time for her 50th birthday, a milestone that was importnat to her as her prognosis had not guaranteed her reaching it. During the time that it took me to do the install, which wound up requiring a fair amount of additional woodworking, I also cared for her. This increased the time to finish but she enjoyed seeing everything come together and it gave her something to look forward to. I finished in January of 2005 and she died on July 5th. Over the last few years I have learned many new things and often look at the kitchen and think about what I might have done differently but I never regret my decision to purchase rather than make. Why? Because I got it done in time for her to enjoy it at least a little while.

I know your situation is different, thankfully, but there will be opportunities to learn and enjoy the process. When you run into problems think about what you could do as a cabinetmaker to mitigate them in the future. Study the construction techniques and what you do and don't like about different materials used. These things will make you better and faster later on.
 
That's a great story Greg. Sorry to hear about your loss.

Hey Carl, the other great thing about buying a set is that you get to see how the cabinets that a company that makes lots and lots of are detailed. They've done all the hard design work and refinement. This time around you can refine your hanging skills.
 
greg mann said:
Carl,

I would agree that you have probably made a good decision. While this is not your case, and I am very glad that it isn't, several years ago my wife, who was fighting terminal cancer, wanted new kitchen cabinets. I am not a pro woodworker, and had no real experience at installing cabinets for that matter, but I would have loved to have used that project to learn about cabinetmaking by starting from scratch. Instead, we bought some high-end cabinets and I installed them and in the process learned quite a bit about cabinet installation. I also got the project done in time for her 50th birthday, a milestone that was importnat to her as her prognosis had not guaranteed her reaching it. During the time that it took me to do the install, which wound up requiring a fair amount of additional woodworking, I also cared for her. This increased the time to finish but she enjoyed seeing everything come together and it gave her something to look forward to. I finished in January of 2005 and she died on July 5th. Over the last few years I have learned many new things and often look at the kitchen and think about what I might have done differently but I never regret my decision to purchase rather than make. Why? Because I got it done in time for her to enjoy it at least a little while.

I know your situation is different, thankfully, but there will be opportunities to learn and enjoy the process. When you run into problems think about what you could do as a cabinetmaker to mitigate them in the future. Study the construction techniques and what you do and don't like about different materials used. These things will make you better and faster later on.

All kidding aside, this is the first time I've ever teared up reading anything on the internet. 

On a woodworking forum, no less.  Who knew.  I think now might be a good time for me to think a little harder about some much easier decisions I need to make in my own life. 

Thanks for some perspective, Greg.  I'm sorry to hear about your wife.
 
Carl,

At the risk of taking your thread OT just a little more I believe everyone might enjoy the next chapter. Besides, if Tinker can weave stories into his posts it is probably acceptable for the rest of us once in a while too, right?  My late wife, Debra, and I were only married ten years. We met when I was 47 and had already raised my family and was now single for reasons beyond my control; and never to be discussed on a woodworking forum. ::) I had decided to take up kayaking and arranged with a dealer to try out some boats. Debra, an ardent kayaker, was a friend of his and he felt we might take a liking to each other so, unbeknownst to either of us, he arranged for her to be there the day I tried out the boats. He also offered up 'free' lessons as a way to increase the likelihood we would come in contact on other occasions. Well it worked. I had taken up kayaking because it was something I could do by myself, as I felt the prognosis for ever meeting someone to share my life with was getting slimmer by the year. Ironically,once I got to the point where I could be alone without being lonely I wound up not being alone.

After Debra died, I spent a lot of time kayaking and cycling as a way to fill the time, a big adjustment after many months of caring for Debra, and also as a way to rewind back to the time where I had embraced solitary activities. A fair amount of time had passed and one day, after whimping out on a planned paddle on Lake Huron (think Michigan and BIG water, I decided to salvage the day with a paddle on a nearby small lake within a municipal park. It was very windy and the windsurfers were out in numbers. The wind was why I had whimped out on LH.  ;D When I pulled in to my parking space I noticed one windsurfer out in the middle of the lake off his board. He wasn't in distress but he wasn't surfing either. I got my gear down and another kayaker came by to look at my boat, which is a Greenland kayak made in the traditional manner except that it is canvas and not sealskin. (They are canvas in Greenland these days too.) After about 20 minutes I happened to notice the windsurfer was still in the water so I cut our conversation off to see if I could go out and help the guy. I launched and paddled out to him and just as I arrived, another kayaker came from a different part of the lake to offer assistance as well. It turned out he had just sorted out his problem at that moment so he was able to resume his fun without help from either of us. The other kayaker turned out to be a very lovely and delightful woman who had just decided to take up kayaking, in July no less, "because it was something she could do by herself."  Well, if you haven't figured out where this is going by now you're hopeless. Many of my friends claim that Debra arranged this encounter 'from above'.

Having gone OT, I now can bring this story back to the thread. I am again faced with a make or buy situation regarding kitchen cabinets. Jackie will be putting her home up for sale real soon and some new cabinets would probably improve the marketability. Here in Michigan, it is the worst possible time to put a home on the market but she has decided she kind of likes my kitchen. ;D ;D

A late summer wedding is in the works. 
 
Sounds like I need to take up kayaking once my current wife has had her fill of my foolishness. ;D
 
it's these types of stories, the camaraderie, and the support that make this forum so great (oh yeah and the shared obsession with one brand of tools...)!

Carl
 
Garry said:
Sounds like I need to take up kayaking once my current wife has had her fill of my foolishness. ;D

So Garry, looks like you might be interested in some kayaks I might be willing to sell...   ;)
 
Corwin said:
Garry said:
Sounds like I need to take up kayaking once my current wife has had her fill of my foolishness. ;D

So Garry, looks like you might be interested in some kayaks I might be willing to sell...   ;)

Not just yet,  we'll have to see which half of nothing I get when she dumps me. :o
 
Garry said:
Sounds like I need to take up kayaking once my current wife has had her fill of my foolishness. ;D

Yikes!  Talk about living dangerously.  If you weren't a walking target before your above message, you are surely likely to become one!

Dave R.
 
Corwin said:
Hopefully, Garry's current wife is computer illiterate.    ;D

She's not totally computer illiterate, but she's unlikely to frequent the FOG. :D

Besides, she knows...
 
I finished the kitchen a month or so and thought I'd post some pics -- 1st one is with the original cabinets.  I ended up buying the C12 drill for this project - (the first Festool I fell in love with, but never ended up buying till now) just awesome...

c.
 
Hi,

  NIce.  The change is significant. I think the new ones look like they belong, and the originals look like they were added on and the appearance doesn't fit.  Are you gooing to change the counter that shows in the right forground of the pic also?

Seth
 
thanks Seth -- no, I'll leave that island as is.  Changing it would be alot of work and everyone goes gaga over the  countertop - I made it out of Bamboo plywood and it looks awesome -- quick early morning pic attached!

c.
 
Hi,

  OH, MAN!!  That is really  8) 8)!!  The other pic simply does not show it for what it is.

Seth
 
Woodgeek: I'm about to embark on a similar project to yours.  Do you happen to have any hints to a Festool noobie? Any higher resolution pix of your great work?

Thanks,
Mark
 
it sad to say,but most people really don't know anything about building material.
if they see a new kitchen with granite tops and new appliances,they will think of nothing else.
Late to the party on this thread but I'll completely agree with the above statement.  Go visit a new home... even the more expensive places have particle board shelves and melamine cabinets.  My Dad recently redid his (large) kitchen and spent 20k on cherry cabinets (uninstalled) that were very high quality (high quality hardware, dovetailed drawers, glass doors, etc., etc.).  It took him a lot of shopping to find a place with that level of quality and that "low" of a price.

One other factor with building your own is that you now have a demo piece that prospective clients can view...
 
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