Can the new 8ah battery be used with CTLC SYS?

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Can the new 8ah battery be used with CTLC SYS?

 

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It is my understanding that the CTC Sys will not work with a battery larger than the 4Ah, so the 5Ah and larger will not work.
 
Ok thanks for replying, I've noted that the 8ah looks slimmer on images than the 5ah but I've not yet had a chance to compare them hands on.
 
The manual only lists four compatible batteries;
BP18 Li 4,0 HPC-AS
BP18 Li 4,0 HPC-ASI
BP18 Li 3,1 C
BP18 Li 3,1 CI

So only single-row batteries.
 
Jonathanmarshall said:
When I was considering upgrading to the new 8ah battery, I realized it's always a good idea to double-check the compatibility with your specific device or system. You can do this by referring to the manufacturer's guidelines or reaching out to their customer support team.
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[member=79391]Jonathanmarshall[/member] it really bugs me when a bot posts a useless reply. What do you think? Do you think I should consult a professional? Or maybe check out a forum and see if someone else has direct experience?
 
slavi.yordanov said:
Will that 8ah battery  ever make it to the US market?
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Many people hope so.  I don't have an immediate need for it, so I'm just hoping it doesn't happen like the PIZZ-TS and we get the foam-stress-squeeze-ball version of the 8.0 Ah battery in the US before we get the battery itself.
 
Well, the crazy (or stupid) part is that it won’t even work on the CTC MINI/MIDI. Cordless vacuum is one of the most demanding tools, and to limit which batteries work on such tool..I still get mad every time I pull the CTC Sys out. On top of that, if you don’t hit the power button, batteries get drained in stand by.

Meanwhile the Milwaukee runs forever on a single 12Ah battery.

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The Festool sucks harder so of course it's runtime is worse.

The Bosch only fits the 12Ah without lid
 
slavi.yordanov said:
Well, the crazy (or stupid) part is that it won’t even work on the CTC MINI/MIDI. Cordless vacuum is one of the most demanding tools, and to limit which batteries work on such tool..I still get mad every time I pull the CTC Sys out. On top of that, if you don’t hit the power button, batteries get drained in stand by.

Meanwhile the Milwaukee runs forever on a single 12Ah battery.

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Not apples to apples, one is an 18v shop vac, the other a 36v hepa extractor. Different tools for different jobs. Imho
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Coen said:
The Festool sucks harder so of course it's runtime is worse.

The Bosch only fits the 12Ah without lid
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Yes it does, for about 5 minutes, then it starts loosing suction because the batteries are half drained.

All I’m saying is, that it would have been a much better product, if it was compatible with all the batteries they make, or at least with 5.0/6.0

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slavi.yordanov said:
Well, the crazy (or stupid) part is that it won’t even work on the CTC MINI/MIDI. Cordless vacuum is one of the most demanding tools, and to limit which batteries work on such tool..I still get mad every time I pull the CTC Sys out. On top of that, if you don’t hit the power button, batteries get drained in stand by.
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You can have two of the three:
- power
- weight/size
- runtime

Festool has both "high end" option where power is good (and so can be the filtration):

- the CTC SYS series are small and powerful (but have low runtime), they are ALONE on the market with that combination of size/power.
- the CTC Mini/Mid series are powerful and have a good runtime (but are relatively heavy and big), these form the high end of reasonably compact cordless vacs.

Then there is the "size/weight is no object" where the CT 26 + POWERSTATION runs supreme. Basically, once the 8 Ah packs are available, Festool will have as complete a portfolio as it gets.

The only product not offered will never be offered - the small and weak one. There is no point in that either. There are plenthora weak vacs on the market covering that use case from almost every maker. So if bad extraction is something you are fine with, do not look at Festool. And I mean it.
They are not after that market. Not since 20+ years ago.

Also, if you want better runtime, run the CTC SYS at min power. For most tasks that is very much adequate - it compares to most vacs of the size at full tilt but with way better filtration.

Also, you possibly misread somewhere, the CTC Mini/Midi series support the 8 Ah packs. Once they will be available, of course.
 
mino said:
slavi.yordanov said:
Well, the crazy (or stupid) part is that it won’t even work on the CTC MINI/MIDI. Cordless vacuum is one of the most demanding tools, and to limit which batteries work on such tool..I still get mad every time I pull the CTC Sys out. On top of that, if you don’t hit the power button, batteries get drained in stand by.
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You can have two of the three:
- power
- weight/size
- runtime

Festool has both "high end" option where power is good (and so can be the filtration):

- the CTC SYS series are small and powerful (but have low runtime), they are ALONE on the market with that combination of size/power.
- the CTC Mini/Mid series are powerful and have a good runtime (but are relatively heavy and big), these form the high end of reasonably compact cordless vacs.

Then there is the "size/weight is no object" where the CT 26 + POWERSTATION runs supreme. Basically, once the 8 Ah packs are available, Festool will have as complete a portfolio as it gets.

The only product not offered will never be offered - the small and weak one. There is no point in that either. There are plenthora weak vacs on the market covering that use case from almost every maker. So if bad extraction is something you are fine with, do not look at Festool. And I mean it.
They are not after that market. Not since 20+ years ago.

Also, if you want better runtime, run the CTC SYS at min power. For most tasks that is very much adequate - it compares to most vacs of the size at full tilt but with way better filtration.

Also, you possibly misread somewhere, the CTC Mini/Midi series support the 8 Ah packs. Once they will be available, of course.
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Are you talking from personal experience with those vacuums or just by looking at specs? I don’t ever use the CTC on high, simply because it’s unusable. Try doing a 20 minute continuous clean-up with it. That’s one task where you need maximum suction, and the CTC totally sucks, in a bad way. Nobody is asking for hours of runtime, but if you look at
comments about CTC Mini/Midi, runtime is equally bad with the bigger batteries. I assume the 8.0 batteries would be adequate.

Regarding size, you realize that the difference in size between 4.0 and 5.0/6.0 battery is not that big right? Even if there was like a small bump out to fit bigger batteries (like the mini and midi) it would still be a lightweight and compact vacuum. I assume that parts from the corded model were used as much as possible to keep costs down.

It’s hard to convince me how making a high demanding cordless tool compatible only with small batteries make any sense. Imagine having a V8 sports car with a 10-gallon gas tank.

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They wasted a lot of space on every other Systainer so they had to stay compact with the CTLC Sys.  [wink]
 
slavi.yordanov said:
It’s hard to convince me how making a high demanding cordless tool compatible only with small batteries make any sense. Imagine having a V8 sports car with a 10-gallon gas tank.
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Shortly:
The "V8 sports car" from Festool is the CT26 with the SYS POWERSTATION 1500Wh fuel tank. Besides, "sports cars" do not use (heavy) V8 engines for half a century or so, those are the muscle cars you were thinking of probably.

The "Small but-still-pimped-up Japanese car" is the CTC MINI with the dual 150Wh fuel tanks.

The "400 ccm pumped up Dragster Quad" is the CTC SYS with the dual 75Wh fuel tanks.

Stop thinking of the CTC SYS as "just another small cordless vac but now from Festool". It is a 1-mile dragster with the fuel tank to match.
If that is not what you need (most folks truly do not), just let it be and look at the CTC Mini (or the CT SYS) for your use case.
 
Is anybody actually running a ctc midi? I’d like to get one to try it out potentially but I’m sort of assuming you’ll need to least 4 5ah batteries for this to function reasonably well? Be curious to hear people’s experience

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