Can you use L class AC for Renofix work?

It gets just a little long drawn out with the dust class debate. Apparently there are users that want to impress us with superior knowledge on the subject yet lack any solid documented proof of their point of view. Festool states in their documentation that M class Vac's they produce meet the requirements. Have they run any tests to document the M class vacs performance before offering them for sale? Can the experts here on the forum help us by sourcing the tests and their results?

The filter in a M class vac may fit an L class vac, but that does not turn it into an M class Vac as you need among other things a suction failure alarm.

I too would get the CTM 36 AC HD in the future, At present I use an L class ct Midi which doesn't have the robustness nor the capacity I need. The M classification is another important selling point for me as well.
 
[member=36526]Bohdan[/member] I asked you for a SOURCE.

So we can judge for ourselves what Festool says. I already know what they say because I know their websites in 4 different languages from front to back.

The values you post apply to the vac CLASS and not to the filter. Why don't you check with each vac which filters they list, I know, takes some time, but can be very enlightening.

You would find CTL and CTM vacs share the same filters, and CTL AC and CTM AC vacs also share the same filters, but these are different from the non-AC models, not to offer better filtration, but to withstand the forces of the auto clean mechanism.
 
PreferrablyWood said:
Apparently there are users that want to impress us with superior knowledge on the subject yet lack any solid documented proof of their point of view on the subject.
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Ok, that's just cute.

Instead of some people I have no problem posting sources of what I say, it is all there on the Festool websites.

Page for the CTL 26:
https://www.festool.nl/Products/Pag...490&name=Mobiele-stofzuiger-CLEANTEC-CTL-26-E

Page for the CTM 26:
https://www.festool.nl/Products/Pag...848&name=Mobiele-stofzuiger-CLEANTEC-CTM-26-E

Now please scroll down till you find the listing for the filters

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Click on it and you'll see the exact same part numbers listed for both vacs:

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Just to try and wind this back to the original question by the OP ... my understanding is that this is about what DC to use with Rennofix tools.

Purely from an Oz perspective ... the only DC specified as compatible by Tooltechnic Australia is the CT 36l HD Autoclean L Class Concrete Dust Extractor.

Local regulations, local products, local documentation, etc all may vary. This issue is whether the machine/model is the correct machine to use in a commercial situation to stay within the specified regulations of that location.

We can ponder documentation and specifications till the cows come home, but my guess is that inspectors will have a list of machines to are certified and the rest simply aren't.

 
Alex said:
[member=36526]Bohdan[/member] I asked you for a SOURCE.

So we can judge for ourselves what Festool says. I already know what they say because I know their websites in 4 different languages from front to back.

The values you post apply to the vac CLASS and not to the filter. Why don't you check with each vac which filters they list, I know, takes some time, but can be very enlightening.

You would find CTL and CTM vacs share the same filters, and CTL AC and CTM AC vacs also share the same filters, but these are different from the non-AC models, not to offer better filtration, but to withstand the forces of the auto clean mechanism.
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The source is the Dutch, German and UK festool web sites

The information that I listed related to the vacs as offered in the various countries but as I said festool don't, or I couldn't find, list the actual filter supplied with each vac. The filters are all the same size, but with different capabilities, so are interchangable but the general concensus on all of the sites is that the M class machines filter to >0.1 mg/m³ while the L class only to >1 mg/m³.

The vacs may or may not have AC but the filtering specs are still the same.

The two samples that you quote show us that they can both use the #496170 or HEPA #498994 filter but not which filter is actually supplied in the machine. Festool use the term "Standaardfilter" to describe all of their filters. The actual relevant filtration is listed under "Toepassingen".
 
Bohdan said:
The source is the Dutch, German and UK festool web sites
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Oh no, that's not how you give a source.

You should give the actualy links. Like I did above. Can't be too hard, can it?

I have no trouble believing Festool websites, Dutch, German or UK. I have a problem believing your interpretation of the data because I know you mix up the context.
 
Alex said:
Bohdan said:
The source is the Dutch, German and UK festool web sites
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Oh no, that's not how you give a source.

You should give the actualy links. Like I did above. Can't be too hard, can it?

I have no trouble believing Festool websites, Dutch, German or UK. I have a problem believing your interpretation of the data because I know you mix up the context.
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Just in case some help is needed ...

When you're looking at a site that has the info you want to share, click/highlight the URL (web path) in the address bar at the top of your browser window, then cut and paste it into your response here.

I can understand [member=5277]Alex[/member] 's frustration on this.
 
Bohdan said:
[member=5277]Alex[/member]

If you really want links try

"Page for the CTL 26:
https://www.festool.nl/Products/Pag...490&name=Mobiele-stofzuiger-CLEANTEC-CTL-26-E

Page for the CTM 26:
https://www.festool.nl/Products/Pag...848&name=Mobiele-stofzuiger-CLEANTEC-CTM-26-E"

I'm sure you have seen them before as you were quoting my links.
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Bohdan, that's a joke, right?

I ask you for a source and you simply refuse to give it to me and actually just copy MY post which proves my statement and not yours?

That's rich.

I'm out of this conversation. You just go on in your fantasy world.
 
Alex said:
I'm out of this conversation. You just go on in your fantasy world.
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Please don't dump this topic [member=5277]Alex[/member]

Despite the frustration, you've got the greatest technical experience here to benefit the OP.
 
Alex said:
Bohdan said:
[member=5277]Alex[/member]

If you really want links try

"Page for the CTL 26:
https://www.festool.nl/Products/Pag...490&name=Mobiele-stofzuiger-CLEANTEC-CTL-26-E

Page for the CTM 26:
https://www.festool.nl/Products/Pag...848&name=Mobiele-stofzuiger-CLEANTEC-CTM-26-E"

I'm sure you have seen them before as you were quoting my links.
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Bohdan, that's a joke, right?

I ask you for a source and you simply refuse to give it to me and actually just copy MY post which proves my statement and not yours?

That's rich.

I'm out of this conversation. You just go on in your fantasy world.
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Those two pages were the Dutch part of my source for the CTL/CTM comparison

Toepassingen

    Voor stoffen met grenswaarden > 1 mg/m³
    Flexibel en schoon op de werk- en bouwplaats dankzij de compacte constructie
    Afzuiging bij elektrisch gereedschap dankzij geïntegreerde in-/uitschakelautomaat
    Voor nat- en droogzuigen geschikt
    Reservoir-/filterzak volume 26/24 l
    Toelating voor stofklasse L

and for the CTM

Toepassingen

    Voor stoffen met grenswaarden > 0,1 mg/m³
    Flexibel en schoon op de werk- en bouwplaats dankzij de compacte constructie
    Afzuiging bij elektrisch gereedschap dankzij geïntegreerde in-/uitschakelautomaat
    Voor nat- en droogzuigen geschikt
    toelating voor stofklasse M
    Reservoir-/filterzak volume 26/24 l

 
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