CANCELLED - Festool Carvex Jigsaw 2011 Version

Funny That thought DID go through my mind, but again, being an amateur woodworker i thought I must be the only person to think it.
I grew up with a long line of working class in my blood, and my dad being a steam fitter, I heard many, many tales of guys getting maimed and killed on the job.

I suppose its just in ingrained in my now...
 
UL is probably skeered that the intensity of the LED and the strobe combination will lead to convulsions or epileptic siezures or some such other silliness.

You know, if warning labels were removed from everything, in a generation or so, common sense would again become common. I believe some knuckle-head named Darwin had a theory relative to this :D
 
harry_ said:
UL is probably skeered that the intensity of the LED and the strobe combination will lead to convulsions or epileptic siezures or some such other silliness.

You know, if warning labels were removed from everything, in a generation or so, common sense would again become common. I believe some knuckle-head named Darwin had a theory relative to this :D
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If I can't have a Carvex, I will just go sulk in my spa tonight and turn the lights on to the strobe effect.  I might even get a jigsaw blade out and move it up and down in the air and pretend.

Don't worry.  There will not be any picts - so you won't know if it really happened. [scared] [scared] [scared]

Peter
 
harry_ said:
UL is probably skeered that the intensity of the LED and the strobe combination will lead to convulsions or epileptic siezures or some such other silliness.

You know, if warning labels were removed from everything, in a generation or so, common sense would again become common. I believe some knuckle-head named Darwin had a theory relative to this :D
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Too funny. Larry Niven dealt with this topic in "Ringworld", where he pointed out that because medical science had advanced to point where everything could be healed without even scar tissue, people had forgotten how to be cautious.....
 
Its funny but after the famous tablesaw lawsuit and all that followed afterwards in that industry all because the user and the company he worked for were lax in using the saw with proper safety techniques and equipment installed.

I guess Festool USA Lawyers and I will bet for sure UL have decided there has to be a better way to do this in order to prevent future lawsuit from users that don't know how or don't pay attention to what they are doing.
 
How about this for cynical:

Due to the unexpected demand for this tool, Festool realized that the $350 price was too low.  Festool is delaying the introduction of this tool in North America until the optimal pain/purchase tipping point has been determined.  The tool will be released at that time, albeit at an inflated price.
 
fritter63 said:
My money is on the strobe LED that makes the blade appear to be stationary.
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I give: why in the world would I want the blade to appear stationary?

And if the problem was UL certification, why wouldn't Festool just say so? It's not like they haven't blamed UL before for their products being unavailable before.
 
Kodi may have the closest to "right" answer here.  I don't see this being a U.L. issue this late in the game.  My BEST guess is that all the complaining over the RO 90 release, where accessories like sandpaper were not available in time and not enough made available for customer demand for what we N.A. customers expect, is what's happening with accessories for the Carvex.  Whether it's both the A.C. and battery versions or just one, something(s) aren't ready to be released as a package.  Probably boils down to a production issue or delivery to N.A. issue.

That's my  [2cents].

[ Edited for language. Please follow the forum guidelines. ]
 
Look, it may be entertaining to speculate but it really isn't productive. I don't have anything to add to the statement that's at the beginning of the thread other than the decision has absolutely nothing to do with pricing or demand.
 
Sorry, but I don't buy any of the arguments posted above about there being something wrong with the product. It is now working perfectly well throughout the rest of the world. It is five weeks away from the launch date. Any UL issues, product testing, insurance questions etc. will have been dealt with months or longer before.

I can't think of a single "application specific to North America" that would cause the Carvex problems, and if there is a problem why not detail it- particularly if the issue is one of safety that could affect other existing users?

Maybe there are logistical issues on the back of several other product launches already this year?

Whatever the reason behind the launch delay, it is disappointing and given the history of the Vac-sys and the CMS, I would not bet on seeing the Carvex over here in the near future.
 
I know what it is.  There aren't enough warning labels on it.  New tools released in North America must have at least 75% of the surface area covered with warning labels. 

The current warning labels cover the vents and come off after excessive heating.  The label material and adhesive must be reformulated to stand up to the rigors of the tool's heat, and heat and sweat from the meaty hands of fat American's like myself.
 
I'm really disappointed in this, but on a serious note, why are we not hearing this announcement from Festool directly instead of the dealer?

I think dealers posting announcements like this puts them in an uncomfortable position, especially one as disappointing as this.
 
I used to do a fair amount of database programming, and I learned this... as soon as you make something idiot-proof, a better idiot will come along.  Festool will do the right thing, I'm sure.  Just hope they don't get bogged down by the idiots.
 
wow,  i'm really disappointed!!  I've been waiting for this damn thing for a long time and what could have gone wrong that they haven't found in the ones already in europe??   This really pisses me off.  I need a new jigsaw,  did a pre-order for one and now this.     grrrrrrrrrrr.
 
I believe the people that BUY these tools are owed an explaination. That is the purpose of this site isnt it? Even I can come up with a more worthy reply if I were running the show. We were ask to support festool, we have with our dollars. Please extend the courtesy to us. ??? ??? ???  The lack of reasonable answers to questions asked about the carvex are lame. This annoucement a the least should have come from festool usa. Its how you act when some things go awry. It seems the simple truth is the first victom when things go wrong. I still will purchase the carvex when its available. 
 
Before you read anything more, please read this:  I have no idea why this decision has been made.

I too have been waiting for the Carvex.  I knew about this back in early 2010.  I had the honor with special permission to spend time with it last July.  It is a jigsaw beyond what is available here by a mile or more.

I want the darn thing.  All of you guys do.

BUT:

I found out like you guys did about the postponement, and I was pissed.  But then I sat back and looked at it rationally in my mind.  These guys could sell a bunch of these.  They have demoed them at shows.  Preview models are probably out there.

What was it?

I don't care.  They decided that it was not right for me and them and the others here.  That is their call.  There will be bad press, but at the day, they made the decision and decided to not settle for the bucks selling something that they didn't think was worthy of their reputation.

As a contractor who only has his reputation and has to put food on the table I can tell you this:

1.  That was a tough decision, and
2.  They will work to work this out.

Peter
 
Festool USA, if you are reading this, I applaud you for acting on principle instead of putting financial considerations above all else.
I only wish there were more companies like this in the US of A.
 
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