CANCELLED - Festool Carvex Jigsaw 2011 Version

I will add that while I do not like Festools CYA policy I understand it.  As a privately held company a large lawsuit like the one recently against Ryobi would be a crippling blow.  It is mostly too bad that we have to be shackled by our legal system that is supposed to be protecting us.
 
[dead horse] What's done is done, for whatever reason.  Can we let the whining rest and just get back to useful discussions? 
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Come on guys - I was just kidding.  I wouldn't really use it to carve off a chunk of my frozen extra hot New Mexico Green Chile.  I realize it would melt the base.  Go ahead and release the Carvex. [embarassed]
 
First, I hope Shane, Peter and Seth do not close this thread because they tire of seeing all the back and forth chatter on a subject that is what it is.  People are frustrated, confused, upset and they need to express that even if it gets old.

Second, I have been authorized by the Jigsaw Users of the Northern Continent (JUNC) to reveal that I ruined it for all of you when Festool found out about my change to one of the accessory bases.  In pre-release testing I modified the circle cutting base so that a rope attaches to the plug-it connection allowing you to turn the Carvex on and using the metric scale markings on the rope, swing it in a circle over my head at the desired distance obtaining a perfect circle while holding the material in my other hand like a pizza.  During the testing in their underground labs, they saw how I occasionally tilted the Carvex during this operation which led to imperfect results.

Again, I apologize for the inconvenience I have caused and hope to remedy this with a modification again, using chain.
 
You have to look at the funny side of this. I can see the CEO of Festool USA saying, Shane I got a little job for you today. Can you let everybody know we are canceling the release of the Carvex and here is the statement from our attorneys, can't  say anything else, have a good day!

You must have been wondering if the servers had the bandwidth to survive the onslaught of happiness from the FOG members.
I understand this descision was not taking lightely and is for the good of Festool USA and its clients so thank you.

Bruce
 
my money down on the strobe light removal, the sue happy culture in NA is gonna make it a matter of weeks before someone cuts off a finger and blames the strobe light. suing them for millions!
maybe such accidents already occur in europe?
the strobe is a cool invention, but it's quite dangerous imo, making a moving blade look like it's not moving...
thats asking for accidents, though i have never seen it work IRL
 
Richard Leon said:
So let's hear it from the deaf, numb-in-one-hand Europeans who accidentally touched the blade before I can believe that this is the reason behind the delay.

Sorry, I would have chimed in on this thread earlier, but I'm only just learning to type again with the one finger I still have remaining on each hand....

Damn that strobe light!!! [mad]

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Wow, Jonny, you got in there fast with the reply to my post, particularly as you only have a couple of fingers!

I only had the post up for a few seconds before I thought better of it and removed it!

 
Timtool said:
my money down on the strobe light removal, the sue happy culture in NA is gonna make it a matter of weeks before someone cuts off a finger and blames the strobe light. suing them for millions!
maybe such accidents already occur in europe?
the strobe is a cool invention, but it's quite dangerous imo, making a moving blade look like it's not moving...
thats asking for accidents, though i have never seen it work IRL

Perhaps Festool is currently in negotiations to implement a SawStop brake on the Carvex.

Improved system will ship in a Systainer 5.....
 
As Frank suggested, it's nothing more than terror of a litigation-ridden-culture (IMHO)
 
Ken Nagrod said:
First, I hope Shane, Peter and Seth do not close this thread because they tire of seeing all the back and forth chatter on a subject that is what it is.  People are frustrated, confused, upset and they need to express that even if it gets old........

Agreed, it might get old be it's likely the only way for us to get it out of our systems.  The only thing that might be a good idea is for people to stop posting their opinions as if they are fact....
 
I have been waiting to replace my Jigsaw, that was stolen in January. Do not know if I can continue to wait. I keep making compromises by using the Band Saw and/or the sawzalls.

Very sad the Carvex is being delayed [scared]
 
Shane Holland said:
Look, it may be entertaining to speculate but it really isn't productive.

For those of us who feel let down, it's way productive.
 
I just hope the wait is not indefinite.  I wondered about the strobe when I first heard of it because I think I know some guys who are bright enough to actually touch the blade to see if it was moving or not  [eek] (never mind the sound and vibration).  Guess I'll just have to endure the trion for now.
 
Doesn't Makita have a jigsaw that strobes or is it just a light?  I'm saying this without checking, but I thought I recalled seeing a similar function in one of their saws.

Bob
 
Kevin b said:
I get the feeling that  if Festool was to fart at a dinner party that some of you would feel blessed to be in the presence of it's gas.  We are so lucky that bouquet does not release some of it's most useful tools to the US market because of it's CYA policy.

Why yes, I would feel blessed.  I hear it has a pleasant bouquet. 

I think what we run into is the "Pikachu" problem.  Several years ago, children with photo-sensitivity were getting seizures from staring at the flashing Pikachu from the Poke'mon cartoons.  Pikachu was displayed at a certain flash frequency, which induced these seizures.  There are engineering design guidelines stating that any type of flash frequency should be no greater than 2-3 Hz to avoid triggering seizures in those who are photo-sensitive.  While I make many vain attempts at humor, I'm not making this one up. (Deke can back me up on this one).

So we've all been waiting for the Carvex which has this cool gimmick of the strobe light.  It may be a gimmick, it may not be.  Needless to say, its appealing.  Well in order for the strobe to be effective, it must flash at a cycle rate equivalent to the cycle rate of the blade, which is greater than 2-3 Hz.  Now let's say your Pikachu watching child is grown now, and is working in a chemical plant cutting some angle iron near some vats of acid.  Pikachu watcher sees the strobe light, becomes mesmerized, has a seizure, and then falls into a vat of acid.  The acid then decomposes his body, and he is suddenly missing.  Now that he is missing, his spouse is concerned that something very bad happened to him.  She doesn't think he has run off.  She thinks he's dissolved in the vat of acid.  So she hires an Analytical Chemist to analyze the calcium and phosphorus levels in the acid vats, and they determine that the levels are abnormal.  The man did fall into the vat and dissolve.

An analytical chemistry textbook producer learns of this story, and provides this example as an analytical chemistry exercise. A college chemistry professor then assigns this problem set to his students as homework.  To be cheeky, the professor asks on the final exam "Did the man fall into the vat".  The answer is yes, but some smart-alecky student who didn't do the homework answers "No, he was pushed." (I didn't make this part up, either).

Meanwhile, we forget about the poor widow who has asked the question "Why did the man fall into the vat?"  They trace it back to the photo-sensitive seizure, what caused the seizure, engineering guidelines, and Festool due diligence.  The widow now owns the company and decides to go for broke and release the CMS into North America, regardless of UL approval.

 
Kodi, you need to have your water checked for extremely super high levels of lead!  [big grin] [big grin]
 
Peter Halle said:
harry_ said:
UL is probably skeered that the intensity of the LED and the strobe combination will lead to convulsions or epileptic siezures or some such other silliness.

You know, if warning labels were removed from everything, in a generation or so, common sense would again become common. I believe some knuckle-head named Darwin had a theory relative to this :D

If I can't have a Carvex, I will just go sulk in my spa tonight and turn the lights on to the strobe effect.  I might even get a jigsaw blade out and move it up and down in the air and pretend.

Don't worry.  There will not be any picts - so you won't know if it really happened. [scared] [scared] [scared]

Peter

LMAO  [popcorn]
 
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