Carvex blades bending backwards

[imaginarynumber]

Hi, my Festool TRION PS300 EQ seems to be unhappy.

The support roller wheel seems to (now) be set too far back to support the blade.

The upshot is that blades start to rub against the "shoes" that prevent left to right wandering.

Last night I tried to rip cut some decking. The upper end of the Carvex blade, where the shoes are, started to glow red after about 2cm of cut and has now bent backwards.

Any suggestions as to how I can adjust the support roller wheel? Off the top of my head, I would say that it is bout 2 or 3 mm too far back when the rocker switch is in the 0 position.

Tnx

 

[Holmz]

To glow red, the blade must be rubbing on something.

 

[imaginarynumber]

To glow red, the blade must be rubbing on something.

It looks like it is rubbing against the "shoes" that prevents the blade from bending left/right..

When under no load there is no friction.

 

[Doug S]

Is it just that the "shoes" are set too tight on the blade? Is the blade thicker then you normally use? If you slacken off the "shoes" slightly it might stop the rubbing and allow the blade to spring back to its proper position and touch the roller.

Doug

 

[aloysius]

I'd be inclined to recycle it & get a good quality replacement.

Mafell, Bosch, Metabo Makita & Hitachi-Koki all make good ones, in approx. descending order of quality & price.

I've never been satisfied with my Trion saw either.  You'll also find that your blades will last exponentially longer too without metallurgical (& emotional) temper-destroying heat generation.

Every manufacturer makes duds sometimes.  Festo's no exception.

 

[bobfog]

I'd be inclined to recycle it & get a good quality replacement.

Mafell, Bosch, Metabo Makita & Hitachi-Koki all make good ones, in approx. descending order of quality & price.

I've never been satisfied with my Trion saw either.  You'll also find that your blades will last exponentially longer too without metallurgical (& emotional) temper-destroying heat generation.

Every manufacturer makes duds sometimes.  Festo's no exception.

I'd second this advice.

The Mafell is amazing, but massively expensive considering that most people don't tend to use a jigsaw everyday. I'd highly recommend the latest Bosch as the very best jigsaw available today as it's half the price of the Mafell, but gives 95% the performance.

 

[Holmz]

Buying the Trion and then the Bosch would be about the same price as the p1cc.
Like the highlander, you need "only one".

 

[junk731]

I'd be inclined to recycle it & get a good quality replacement.

Mafell, Bosch, Metabo Makita & Hitachi-Koki all make good ones, in approx. descending order of quality & price.

I've never been satisfied with my Trion saw either.  You'll also find that your blades will last exponentially longer too without metallurgical (& emotional) temper-destroying heat generation.

Every manufacturer makes duds sometimes.  Festo's no exception.

If you learn to pick the right blade for what your doing and learn how adjust it properly you won't have the problem. We cut curves in 4" thick hard maple with a Trion without any issues. Try that with a Bosch or Mafell and let us how that works for yeh. The OP doesn't mention what type of decking. I believe a Dutch seller of Mafell tried a smear video on Youtube when they first came out years ago, showing the melting blade, it was quite funny watching those meatheads. On the plus side if the OP does decide to downgrade he will get good money for his current saw.

John

 

[bobfog]

I'd be inclined to recycle it & get a good quality replacement.

Mafell, Bosch, Metabo Makita & Hitachi-Koki all make good ones, in approx. descending order of quality & price.

I've never been satisfied with my Trion saw either.  You'll also find that your blades will last exponentially longer too without metallurgical (& emotional) temper-destroying heat generation.

Every manufacturer makes duds sometimes.  Festo's no exception.

If you learn to pick the right blade for what your doing and learn how adjust it properly you won't have the problem. We cut curves in 4" thick hard maple with a Trion without any issues. Try that with a Bosch or Mafell and let us how that works for yeh. The OP doesn't mention what type of decking. I believe a Dutch seller of Mafell tried a smear video on Youtube when they first came out years ago, showing the melting blade, it was quite funny watching those meatheads. On the plus side if the OP does decide to downgrade he will get good money for his current saw.

John

Trust me. Anything a Trion can do the latest Bosch or Mafell can do better! I mean manual blade guides that require adjusting with an Allen key every time you do a blade change?? That's like having a modern car with a hand crank instead of a starter motor!

 

[Holmz]

It would be interesting to know what the decking was.

 

[peter halle]

Sorry to hear you are having issues with your saw.  Blade guide adjustments are one of those things with the Carvex.  You didn't say if you were new to the saw, but here is a video link: 



Ripping will require a coarser blade than a normal crosscut especially if the material is thick and wet (typical for decking here in the NA).  Also you should check that the blade protrudes below the workpiece  by more than just a hair.  Ripping is also usually slower than cross cutting.

If you check all these things and you are still having an issue if might be that there is an issue with your particular saw.  Perhaps it is still under warranty?

Peter

 

[junk731]

I'd be inclined to recycle it & get a good quality replacement.

Mafell, Bosch, Metabo Makita & Hitachi-Koki all make good ones, in approx. descending order of quality & price.

I've never been satisfied with my Trion saw either.  You'll also find that your blades will last exponentially longer too without metallurgical (& emotional) temper-destroying heat generation.

Every manufacturer makes duds sometimes.  Festo's no exception.

If you learn to pick the right blade for what your doing and learn how adjust it properly you won't have the problem. We cut curves in 4" thick hard maple with a Trion without any issues. Try that with a Bosch or Mafell and let us how that works for yeh. The OP doesn't mention what type of decking. I believe a Dutch seller of Mafell tried a smear video on Youtube when they first came out years ago, showing the melting blade, it was quite funny watching those meatheads. On the plus side if the OP does decide to downgrade he will get good money for his current saw.

John

Trust me. Anything a Trion can do the latest Bosch or Mafell can do better! I mean manual blade guides that require adjusting with an Allen key every time you do a blade change?? That's like having a modern car with a hand crank instead of a starter motor!

I don't trust anyone else's experience except my own, especially on these forums where almost everyone has an agenda. When a Mafell or a Bosch can cut through 4" hard maple or even cedar with minimal deflection you might have a case for losing the adjustment. Like everything nowadays people want easy no skill required, some tools take experience to setup and use properly. The honest truth is most people don't use a jigsaw for finesse and won't take the time to teach themselves proper use and setup. Jam a blade in and hack away. "Anything a Trion can do the latest Bosch or Mafell can do better!" as Larry the Cable Guy would say now that's funny. Honestly have you or anyone else making these remarks actually used a Trion regularly.

John

 

[Svar]

Honestly have you or anyone else making these remarks actually used a Trion regularly.
John

Have you actually used Mafell regularly? I'm glad Trion is working for you, but your statement contradicts every single review, side to side comparison, and opinion I've heard public or private.

 

[imaginarynumber]

Is it just that the "shoes" are set too tight on the blade? Is the blade thicker then you normally use? If you slacken off the "shoes" slightly it might stop the rubbing and allow the blade to spring back to its proper position and touch the roller.

Doug

Oops, I had never thought about the blade thickness. I generally use the shorter Bosch Progressor blades fr cutting through 18mm MDF and have never had a problem. It didn't dawn on me that the 105 and 135mm Carvex blades might be thicker than anything that i have used before.

I suspect that you have solved my problem.

You are a star, thank you.

 

[imaginarynumber]

I'd be inclined to recycle it & get a good quality replacement.

Mafell, Bosch, Metabo Makita & Hitachi-Koki all make good ones, in approx. descending order of quality & price.

I've never been satisfied with my Trion saw either.  You'll also find that your blades will last exponentially longer too without metallurgical (& emotional) temper-destroying heat generation.

Every manufacturer makes duds sometimes.  Festo's no exception.

In the main, I have been happy/content with the Trion. The dust extraction however is crap, the holes get blocked if you work with plywood, fine with MDF though.

Admittedly the initial purchase was little more than a result of being happy with other Festool products and already having invested in the wider Festool ecosystem . I didn't do much in the way of research though. 

 

[imaginarynumber]

If you learn to pick the right blade for what your doing and learn how adjust it properly you won't have the problem. We cut curves in 4" thick hard maple with a Trion without any issues.

John

Yep. In my case it looks like it might well be a case of "user error". In my (lack of defence). I believe that I selected the correct blade but didn't consider the need to tweak the tool to accommodate the blade.

 

[imaginarynumber]

Sorry to hear you are having issues with your saw.  Blade guide adjustments are one of those things with the Carvex.  You didn't say if you were new to the saw, but here is a video link: 



Ripping will require a coarser blade than a normal crosscut especially if the material is thick and wet (typical for decking here in the NA).  Also you should check that the blade protrudes below the workpiece  by more than just a hair.  Ripping is also usually slower than cross cutting.

If you check all these things and you are still having an issue if might be that there is an issue with your particular saw.  Perhaps it is still under warranty?

Peter

Thanks Peter.

Am in the pub but will watch the link when i get home.

Cheers

 

[junk731]

Honestly have you or anyone else making these remarks actually used a Trion regularly.
John

Have you actually used Mafell regularly? I'm glad Trion is working for you, but your statement contradicts every single review, side to side comparison, and opinion I've heard public or private.

In general I'm satisfied with Festool products, have they made some turkeys yes, the first impact type drills and the first generations of Carvex come to mind, no question. Never had an issue with Trion and have read a lot of reviews and read a lot of whining on hear, many to do with Carvex. Most reviews are comparing other tools to Festool not Festool comparing itself to others. I wonder why that is. Most reviews have an agenda. No I haven't tried a Mafell, no place to try one out, don't know anyone that has bought one and why would I want to replace something that is working great. Bosch are a dime a dozen and yes they work well, try that cut I mentioned with one them and see how that works. Its also interesting that most of the people that make negative comments about Festool rarely say anything good about Festool. Now just for the record what makes Mafell, Bosch or any of the others that much more superior to the Trion according to the reviews and people you have talked too? I know for sure Mafell is superior in the price.

John

 

[Holmz]

I am sure you google that stuff yourself.

Staying with the germane... there is no concept of one's shoes being too tight.

 

[junk731]

No I'm in Canada isn't Germane somewhere in Europe. The shoes fit just right too.

John