Carvex for resawing?

I was not even aware the "jigsaw tables" were available. I have been planning to make one and this prompted me to search online, turns out there are a lot of different, mostly cheap looking, versions available. Rockwell also has a complete saw, does not require using your own jigsaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TThrIsIYObY

I have not had any experience with Rockwell tools, although the few I have picked up and played with at my local Lowes seemed to be pretty well made. Online reviews of this saw are totally mixed, from 0 to 5 stars and back.

For $179 I may try it out.

RMW
 
I keep my old Bosch 1582 going largely because I have the portable clamp-on table Bosch made for it. (Metabo had a very similar table for their saws back then)

The table is strong, cast aluminum, holds the saw securely via a quick acting thumb screw secured clamp. There are tabs that fit into the saw shoe. I keep the saw, table, Collins coping foot, circle cutting arm, and a large quantity of blades in a Sys 2. It takes less than a minute to open the Sys and start sawing as long as there is a sturdy table with an overhang to clamp the little jigsaw table to. If not, it can clamp onto a scrap secured to the MFT.
 
Deansocial said:
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

I'd like to know too. Which version are you two using?

I bought the M12. I have a lot of other M12 stuff and found it for a good price but like Dean I find the blade deflection terrible. Not only is there no blade support system like on the Trion or the newest Bosch but it seems like the plunger supports are missing or never adjusted. I can wiggle the plunger (that the blade is attached to) back and forth. Running the blade full speed in air looks ridiculous. At least the trigger is VS and allows the cut to be started at slow speed but once you get going who knows what angle the cut will be? The plunger has nearly 5 degrees of lateral play...
 
I recently made a router/jigsaw table top out of plywood for site use, it is just a piece of ply with maple edge band that clamps to a bench. I made the mounting for the tools like Timtool did in his systainer top box.

I use an old Bosch jigsaw and router that live in my trailer. I have only used it to test it out and am hoping it will work out well for the occasional use.

If anyone is interested i can dig it out and post some photos.
 
Deansocial said:
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

Yip it is utter crap!  You can't run it along a straight edge because the blade isn't dead inline with the jigsaw.  I had mine replaced because pendulum didnt work and both the blades where not inline with the base so I just assumed that's how they make them!

So you need to have the jig saw on an angle for it to go straight. Like Tokyo drift!  Heehee

The blade does wander easy and the base hasn't got a very positive 90° lock.  

I don't rate the jigsaw at all its pretty crap!  Hence why I thought I could leave it in this toy of a jig permantly cus I never use the jigsaw.  Just gathers dust.

I wouldn't recommend it.  

Milwaukee 18M D-handle version  Michael
 
Nikko said:
I'd be interested in having a look at the photos Keith

I have to empty out my trailer in the morning so i can get to it and i will get some pics and try to post them later tomorrow.
 
jmbfestool said:
Deansocial said:
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

Yip it is utter crap!  You can't run it along a straight edge because the blade isn't dead inline with the jigsaw.  I had mine replaced because pendulum didnt work and both the blades where not inline with the base so I just assumed that's how they make them!

So you need to have the jig saw on an angle for it to go straight. Like Tokyo drift!  Heehee

The blade does wander easy and the base hasn't got a very positive 90° lock.  

I don't rate the jigsaw at all its pretty crap!  Hence why I thought I could leave it in this toy of a jig permantly cus I never use the jigsaw.  Just gathers dust.

I wouldn't recommend it.  

Milwaukee 18M D-handle version  Michael

The M18 jigsaw seems to be identical to the M12, just different battery packs.
Pity they didn't make them better.

Cordless isn't the issue. My old 18v Makita jigsaw is just as good as my corded Bosch. The cordless just doesn't last as long. It's at least twice as heavy and bulky as the M12 though. That's why I took a chance on the M12.
 
SRSemenza said:
tjbnwi said:
I resaw with the TS at least once a week. Longest one was about 11', you do need some tapered shims to keep the clamps from closing the kerf when you helicopter the board.

Tom

Yup . that is basically how I did it. But since that saw can plunge cut ( I used the anti- kick back stop) I simply left the board longer than needed, started and ended  with a plunge / unplunge. Leaving the ends uncut. That way the clamps can't close up on the kerf.

Seth

I insert the shims when the board gets flipped so I can resaw twice the saws capacity.

Tom
 
Michael Kellough said:
jmbfestool said:
Deansocial said:
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

Yip it is utter crap!  You can't run it along a straight edge because the blade isn't dead inline with the jigsaw.  I had mine replaced because pendulum didnt work and both the blades where not inline with the base so I just assumed that's how they make them!

So you need to have the jig saw on an angle for it to go straight. Like Tokyo drift!  Heehee

The blade does wander easy and the base hasn't got a very positive 90° lock.  

I don't rate the jigsaw at all its pretty crap!  Hence why I thought I could leave it in this toy of a jig permantly cus I never use the jigsaw.  Just gathers dust.

I wouldn't recommend it.  

Milwaukee 18M D-handle version  Michael

The M18 jigsaw seems to be identical to the M12, just different battery packs.
Pity they didn't make them better.

Cordless isn't the issue. My old 18v Makita jigsaw is just as good as my corded Bosch. The cordless just doesn't last as long. It's at least twice as heavy and bulky as the M12 though. That's why I took a chance on the M12.

Yeah the front design on the M12 looks the same I would assume it will perform very much the same as the M18 poorly.

I wouldn't take the risk if I was you unless you are able to get a hold of one and have a play around with it first.   The battery life on the M18 isn't bad last long enough so for cutting plywood on site or something rough its perfectly fine.  

If I get time ill make a little video of the M18
 
I tried resawing on my CMS-unit with the original Carvex PSC400 mounted in the CMS-PS insert upside down and using the CMS-TS55 fence as the guide fence. That didn't pan out very well due to the PSC400's inherent blade drift after about 5cm into the 2x4 board. This was most likely an attribute of the original Carvex's broken blade guide system so it actually might work with the 420.

Haven't had a chance to try this yet on my PS420, but my wife did some 'scroll sawing' of door signs out of 6mm plywood last weekend that actually worked unlike with the PSC400.
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Okay, here is my cheap version of a router/jigsaw table. It is made from plywood with maple edgeband, it is mostly going to be used as a router table for site work but i figured while i was doing this i might as well add the jigsaw mount.

Even though i used quick clamps i wanted something more secure so i added the wooden piece that is screwed in because i really don't trust the cheap plastic clamps that i found in my shop. I don't plan on using this very often, just the couple of times during the year when i forgot to do something in the shop or when the need comes up.

I made this to attach to my miter saw stand but it can be clamped to just about anything in a pinch, when it is on the stand it also rests on the handle so it is actually supported on the front also.

This is in no way a precision piece but is was made with scraps in the shop and it does not take any additional room in my trailer.

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Mark Enomoto said:
Any chance we will see an attempt to resaw using a Carvex? Not talking about a log, but raw lumber. Would speak to the ability of the Carvex to cut vertically.

Even I, who do almost everything with a jigsaw, would not attempt to re-saw lumber with one.
 
So has anyone bought the neutechnik jisaw table? I am considering getting the full kit to use with my P1cc.  I could have done with one last week as I had to scribe rip architrave.  Done it freehand but that table would have saved a lot of messing around.

Just like jmb said it would be useful for scribing lengths of architrave and skirting.  Also ripping down small bits of wood etc. I don't ever take a table saw on site and this looks easy to set up and is compact to store and carry.

If anyone has used one I would like to know their views and experience.
 
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Alternatively, it seems like a simple matter to build a plywood CMS insert expressly designed to accept the Neutechnik table (the plastic table could be reinforced from underneath quite easily to counter concerns of stability & longevity) such to allow the professional user the huge advantages of both an overhead blade guard/guide and above and below-the-table dust collection. For inspiration:

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And, to pickup on what an earlier poster pointed out, how disappointing is it to discover that although a company like (the original) Triton so elegantly (and decades ago!) solved the issue of a jigsaw blade wandering when mounted upside down in a table...


...companies like Festool (and Bosch/Wolfcraf, etc.) stubbornly persist in offering substandard jigsaw tables (that lack an overhead blade guide & above-the-table dust collection)? I mean, just look again at what the poor bloke in the above photo had to cobble together just to make his jigsaw module* safe and (therefore) usable!

Like the MFT/3, the CMS table features a beefy extrusion that runs right round its perimeter - a great place to clamp an overhead arm assembly akin to what was included in the Triton jigsaw kit (such an assembly could even clamp to three sides for added stability). But, alas, such a worthwhile accessory doesn't exist.

My disappointment over this glaring absence is not unlike what I feel having just stumbled upon the fact that a) there was an earlier iteration of the CMS system (called "Basis") that b) featured not only t-slots on the face of at least three modules but c) a pull-saw module (!) that benefitted from proper knobs for raising, lowering and tilting the blade! Knowing this, how are the current CMS-TS modules (and the CMS base table itself) not a perfect example of devolution (rather than evolution)? Why are such worthwhile features missing from the CMS family? Anyone?

FWIW I am a (now somewhat disillusioned) owner of a CMS GE router table and a TS 75 module and someone who thought long & hard over the Precisio(s) and Mafell Erika (pull saws) before ultimately deciding on the CMS. And, similar to other dedicated CMS-TS owners, I've had to jury-rig a featherboard to the face of the miter gauge (the lack of even a single t-slot in the table unnecessarily complicates the addition of this obligatory safety feature), live without the safety benefits and added utility of a pull saw and fiddle around with setting blade angles. Plus, I've also decided against adding the CMS jigsaw module (and what would have been a new PS 300 EQ-Plus jigsaw) to my existing Festool collection. I'll stick to my Bosch, thank you very much, and devise something to incorporate a Neutechnik table into my CMS (building upon the former's blade guard/guide and above and below-the-table allowance for dust collection). 
 
The CMS system other than the router table is of questionable value unless someone is just intent on using all Festool even though better products exist. I have the CMS-VL and am happy with it. I keep an OF1400 in it and can change bits with it in the module. On the other hand tablesaw module is nearly 100% inferior than a small portable tablesaw. There are several models to pick from, but I have found the DeWalt ones to be the best with their geared fence, which once setup guarantees square cuts + easy repeatability.

Pluses:
Cheaper
Easier and quicker to setup.
Same footprint as the CMS module.
Is inclusive meaning everything you need to use it is included. The CMS requires more accessories to make it work.
Similar or slightly larger capacity.

Minuses:
For some it is not part of the system
Dust collection not as great.
No sliding table.
Depending on what you are cutting you might need to make a simple outfield table. I used a stack of systainers.
 
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