Carvex PSC 400 li 18v

[jmbfestool]

That's a vid i'd like to see J! infact I'd really want to see more straight up head to head vids. You never get a true comparison until you use the tool yourself but this is closest to that. That vid you did with the new kapex stand, simple set up band make your cut (fake) you bloody well jump up on the thing, shows me it's pretty damn sturdy. Love to see those sort of things.

Well Well! Im very surprised with the out come!  I feel like I should give the protool a second chance lol but I would have to do ALL of them twice then so fair is fair they all have had a one go.

My Milwaukee batteries are properly the oldest and the festool 14.4v

The Festool 18V is newer and the protool 18V I think is the newest of the lot also its seen the least amount of use.

So here are the Details!

Carvex using the fallowing batteries =

Festool 14.4V    = 6290mm

Festool 18V       = 8080mm

Protool 18V       = 7270mm

Milwaukee 18M Jigsaw

Milwaukee 18V = 8700mm

Im loading the video onto youtube so you can see for your self like normal  [tongue]

WoodGuy! Ill do your template jig next  [big grin]

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

Crap Video I had to film this one on my own  [unsure]

Any way this one has the Protool batterie and Milwaukee jigsaw.

I was surprised with the Milwaukee Jigsaw I didnt think it would last the longest! Also surprised with the Protool battery I thought it was going the last longer.  

To make it a fair test I would have to test each battery 3 times I think and use other batteries as I have at least 2 of each sort or more.  

So if I was to spend more time on this I could test both my 14.4 festool batteries and both 18v festool batteries and both 18v Protool batteries and all 8 of my 18V Milwaukee batteries but it would take me ALL day lol At least you can kinda get a idea of the run times of each sort and can make your own choice from the videos and I tried to make it as fair as possible for all of the batteries.

Even though the milwaukee showed it had the longest run time! I still prefer the Carvex.     I dont know if you can see in the part where I speed it all up when using the Milwaukee but I had to often adjust my hand I used my finger to keep the trigger pulled then my thumb as it was starting to hurt my hand and arm.  The milwaukee trigger is pretty strong after a while you have to fight to keep it pressed in also because I was not above the jigsaw due to that fact I needed to film from the side it was harder on my arm.  

The carvex was really easy on my arm hand and fingers it actually was a relief using the carvex after the Milwaukee as I was able to have a rest while cutting with the carvex as its that much easier.

Carvex (Protool batterie) VS milwaukee 18V Part 2

JMB

 

[fritter63]

I fast forward some parts bit boring watching me clamping stuff lol

1. Safety glasses?

2. What kind of gutteral battle language were you using to communicate with the cameraman?

[big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

I fast forward some parts bit boring watching me clamping stuff lol

1. Safety glasses?

2. What kind of gutteral battle language were you using to communicate with the cameraman?

[big grin]

Safety glasses? what are they?

Wa communication bit you talking about?

JMB

 

[tiralie]

I only had 1 attempt as that was the only decent size piece I had!  So I couldnt really do a trial run first!  

Thanks for this JMB!
I wish they sold that work top jig here.
The plug it cord on your saw reminded me that I need to fix my vacuum cord.
Tim

 

[nickao]

Festool's Carvex jigsaw which was originally scheduled to make its North American debut in June 2011 isn't up to "certain applications specific to North America" so Festool is postponing its introduction indefinitely.

The introduction of Festool's new jigsaw, dubbed the Carvex  is being delayed indefinitely while engineers work out problems that make the tool unsuitable for the US and Canadian market. In a press release dated April 26, 2011, the company says they won't be able to meet the scheduled June 2011 on-sale date because "late-round testing in certain applications specific to North America has demonstrated that the current design does not meet the exacting standards that we demand of ourselves, and that our customers have come to expect."

I applaud the company for taking a step back rather than release a tool that's not up to snuff, but I'm curious what Americans and Canadian woodworkers and carpenters do with jigsaws that is so different from users in Europe where the tool is already on sale.

I might be opening up myself to a flurry of snide comments, but do any of you know what "applications specific to North America" Festool is talking about?

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/16947/festool-postpones-new-jigsaw?utm_source=email&utm_medium=eletter&utm_content=20110502-truck-tailgate-gravel-shield&utm_campaign=fine-homebuilding

 

[Dan1210]

Yeh great vids jmb, im not so sure id want to be cutting worktops at the weekend if you know what i mean, to confirm most worktops are 600mm in my experience it only seems to be the howdens tops that are 616mm,

As for safety glasses jmb, get used to wearing them! Take it from me i have cut miles of melamine and worktops and up until this year i have never used them, i use them all the time now as i have something on my left eye caused by a flying tiny bit of melamine coating. I think it may be scar tissue but i have a doctors appointment this month to try and sort it out! In short i wish i had worn glasses before now!

I got some real nice dewalt ones from bnq and i keep them in my driver kit box so they dont get scratched, im gonna get a strap for them so i can hang them round my neck, i was like you mate never bothered with glasses,ear defenders or masks as it slows you down a bit but now im more concerned about my eyes and lungs, dj as a hobby so my ears have got no chance!

 

[jmbfestool]

So in short Dan you are saying im a little sad doing these vids over the weekend  [tongue]

Well I was sorting out my van to yesterday I took ALL my tools out and sorted them out also I had tools ever where when I get lazy and throw some tools in a different box so I put them back where they should go and few other things! I cant help my self I can't never not do something I have to be doing something every day even if it doesn't need doing.

I normally always wear ear muffs.  I have 2pairs so I often will have at least one near me but glasses they annoy me cus I often scratch dem and then I don't like wearing dem.

Well I always insist on 616 work tops when doing kitchens I find cheaper kitchens like Ikea and home base they use 600 worktops  I think that extra 16mm makes a massive difference especially when wall are out of square or really bowed it leaves you with a decent 35mm 40mm over hang the you have a door comes out 20mm so you have a nice 15-20mm over hang

Jmb

 

[Dan1210]

No mate definately not! I think its great you are prepared to do these things and video them for yours and our benefit, a great service! Much appreciated  [tongue] but you are tool crazy! I mean that in a good way...

 

[jmbfestool]

I'm gadget crazy  and I see tools as gadgets something which makes life more fun easier quicker interesting.

Let me know when you get the OF2200 and what you think of it! You won't be disappointed!

Jmb

 

[jmbfestool]

I only had 1 attempt as that was the only decent size piece I had!  So I couldnt really do a trial run first!  

Thanks for this JMB!
I wish they sold that work top jig here.
The plug it cord on your saw reminded me that I need to fix my vacuum cord.
Tim

Yeah I bought a spare lead ready for when this one stops working.  It looks messy with the wires showing lol

Jmb

 

[Michael_MA]

That's a vid i'd like to see J! infact I'd really want to see more straight up head to head vids. You never get a true comparison until you use the tool yourself but this is closest to that. That vid you did with the new kapex stand, simple set up band make your cut (fake) you bloody well jump up on the thing, shows me it's pretty damn sturdy. Love to see those sort of things.

Well Well! Im very surprised with the out come!  I feel like I should give the protool a second chance lol but I would have to do ALL of them twice then so fair is fair they all have had a one go.

My Milwaukee batteries are properly the oldest and the festool 14.4v

The Festool 18V is newer and the protool 18V I think is the newest of the lot also its seen the least amount of use.

So here are the Details!

Carvex using the fallowing batteries =

Festool 14.4V    = 6290mm

Festool 18V       = 8080mm

Protool 18V       = 7270mm

Milwaukee 18M Jigsaw

Milwaukee 18V = 8700mm

Im loading the video onto youtube so you can see for your self like normal  [tongue]

WoodGuy! Ill do your template jig next  [big grin]

JMB

Hi JMB,

this is a very realistic comparison of the Festool 18V and the Milwaukee 18 V Jigsaw, but we should'nt forget the Milwaukee uses a 3Ah Battery and the Festool only 2.6Ah.

So if we do a reasonable comparison, lets do some simple math on the Milwaukee 18V machine:
18V X 3Ah = 54Wh, now we divide 54Wh by 8700mm  = 6,208mAh/mm

now on the Festool Carvex 18V:
18V x 2,6Ah = 46,8Wh, now we divide 46,8Ah by 8080mm = 5,79mAh/mm

if we now take this current from the Carvex and estimate a 3Ah Battery, we would end up with:
18V x 3Ah = 54Wh divided by 5,79mAh/mm will give a length of: 9326mm ! - which is quite a remarkable -

So the Carvex efficiency is much higher (EC-TEC Motor) than the Milwaukee.. which give a coole machine and a longer run time.

kind regards, Mike

 

[windmill man]

Hi Brett,

Not been keeping up with this thread, noticed the comments on the Festool worktop jig. 

Wont do 616 mm tops without rounding the back corner etc etc.

Sorry old chap but before making comments like that ,I would respectfully, request you read the very poor instructions that come with it and and learn to use it properly as it is  designed to be used. This is the best jig I have used and will cut any depth of worktop in mm increments.

No being a smart ........

Best John

 

[windmill man]

Brett ,

If you like to use 3 draw bolts ( as I do) get your self another template then when you flip it you will never get any misalignment and it saves on all that moving about . [smile]

John

 

[jmbfestool]

Brett ,

If you like to use 3 draw bolts ( as I do) get your self another template then when you flip it you will never get any misalignment and it saves on all that moving about . [smile]

John

I have order another plate like I mentioned before just waiting on buying a tool so I don't get charged for delivery.

Read number 3 below I did mention the 3plates.

Cheers

Jmb

jmb

 

[jmbfestool]

Hi Dan

Yes it is.   I used only festool tools in that video cutting work top.

Festool MFT
Festool Quick clamps
Festool Standard clamps
Festool CT26
Festool Carvex
Festool TS55
Festool worktop Jig

Yes I love the Jig LOADS better than the standard jig I think.  Wondering when some one might ask about the jig
This is the set I bought http://www.festool.co.uk/products/accessories/pages/detail.aspx?pid=712256&name=routing-templates-aps-900-mfs-hw-d14-hw-wp

1. Your clamps are always out of the way of your router as you can see they go underneath.

2. You can keep your jig clamped down and just loosen the screws to slide the jig across or the bolt plates and then tighten.  This works great for when you cant have your bolts evenly spaced due to the fact you cant get access to them once the work top is fitted with a normal work top jig you would have to release the clamps to move the jig across.  

3. You can add more bolt plates this is good because you can have them spaced how you want than you just mark one line on both worktops and align on bolt plate and the other two will be in the same place.   With a standard jig you often have to move the jig once or twice after you routed the the first bolt hole

4. The jig can router work tops like 1 meter wide or even more if you was to get a longer bar.  Like I said you can clamp the jig down and move all parts while its still clamped so if your work top is 800 wide this jig is for a 600 you can move it across with out needing to realign everything.


One thing I hate about jig is its made for a 600 work top well most work tops I do are 615 -618 well the jig leaves a 4mm round on the end where its starts to curve again this aint a problem as it happens to the other worktop so they both match plus you often tile or have upstand in a kitchen which covers it.

I love the jig if you have it set up I how have it in the video so the long bar in the middle and the two smaller bars on either side both on the same end this allows you to do left and right side joints and from both sides of the work top (top and bottom) with out needed to adjust anything.    

When I first had the jig I had it set up so it would only work on one side I would have to adjust everytime and I hated the jig but I soon noticed if I did some adjustments I would be able to leave the jig all together as one and just flip it round like you do with a standard jig.   It didnt come with any instructions how to set it up so was kinda trial and error.

I have used a few of my mates jigs but its the clamping bit which annoyed me plus they all seem to use quick clamps to fix the jigs down well they are large and you have to put them on a certain way and certain place other wise they get in the way of the router plus I think quick clamps just feel like they are not holding tight enough in my opinion.  The festool clamps as you properly know hold really well you wont get any movement with them.

jmb

Hi windmill,

If you read above I might not of explained it properly But it does say the setup will allow you to do wider work tops over 600

I'm pretty sure the jig it self will not do any wider than 600mm no disrespect.
 Like I said it leaves a lip on the back.  

The only way it will do wider work tops is by moving the jig along the rail you clamped which is the main benefit as is allows you to do much wider work tops but I dont c y I should move the jig 5mm along to do the last bit kinda annoying if they just made it that little bigger.   I wouldn't mind moving the jig along the rail for 50mm 80mm 100mm 200mm but 5mm it's just annoying.

I don't have the instructions I never read instructions any way.  I just used it trial and error!

Any way I love the jig I think it's brilliant like I said before but the only Down side is the 600mm put it's not a massive problem just annoying. 

Tell me if am way out and show me or tell me how to use the jig properly so it will cut more than 600mm with out moving the jig.  I see in your picture you don't have the two 200mfs rails attached How do you clamp the far end?  I have mine set up so no mater which way you do your joint left right right left I can clamp my setup with out needing to adjust anything but the bolt plates position which is easy quick and always different because of the unit situations of course get access.

Jmb

 

[windmill man]

Morning Brett,

It is, what it says on the tin "a 600mm worktop jig" You have to move it , if the top is greater than 600mm.

Have a look at this, MMMMM technology is defeating me. I have the instructions on my desktop in pdf form its 2.01 mb document . How do i get it on to the reply. [unsure] [unsure] [embarassed] [embarassed] [crying] [crying] [mad] [mad].

Why do you need the second 200 mfs?

Brett Start a new thread if you want, but i am not getting into a ......... contest. It may help the non US members.

What cutter are you using?

Later Dude, Wood to butcher [big grin]

John

 

[jmbfestool]

Morning Brett,

It is, what it says on the tin "a 600mm worktop jig" You have to move it , if the top is greater than 600mm.

Have a look at this, MMMMM technology is defeating me. I have the instructions on my desktop in pdf form its 2.01 mb document . How do i get it on to the reply. [unsure] [unsure] [embarassed] [embarassed] [crying] [crying] [mad] [mad].

Why do you need the second 200 mfs?

Brett Start a new thread if you want, but i am not getting into a ......... contest. It may help the non US members.

What cutter are you using?

Later Dude, Wood to butcher [big grin]

John

Haaahaaa!  Let the Games Begin Windmill Man!

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-worktop-jig/

Sorry about going off-topic RoadKill!  Ill delete my post if you want which are not relevant to this thread.

 

[Roadkilled]

That's fine mate, very educational, made a note to myself that I must watch all your videos. Thank you for the carvex video helped alot with making my mind up

 

[Barry175]

I'm a kitchen fitter and I own most of festools stock but the only thing I've ever been disappointed with is the 18v jigsaw, my last 18v jigsaw was a makita and it was a far superior cut to the festool.