carvex release date anyone?

[canadamike]

Hi there,

I've learned alot from this forum and have met a couple generous contributors.

At a recent course I took at Henderson, I recall that the Carvex was to be released this June to US and Canada. Does anyone have an update on this? My Bosch has fried and need a new jigsaw.

Thx Mike

 

[nclemmons]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/eta-for-new-product-introductions-in-na/

Says mid-2013, but I seem to recall Shane mentioning that maybe third quarter.

neil

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Definitely not June. An official launch date hasn't been released yet, but it will be in the Fall.

 

[hemlock]

Frustrating  [mad].  I would like to get carvex now  too .  Trion is good but have need that carvex provides.  Seems like festool doesnt want to release carvex too close to new ts55?

 

[woodie]

I finally gave up on waiting... I ordered a Mafell P1cc earlier today  [big grin].  I've gone back and forth about the price difference between these saws, but by the time you add the Carvex Accessory Kit your nearly there anyway.  I am interested to see how well the blade clamping system works?  I'd be glad to be done with the blade guide blocks and rollers.

 

[MrToolJunkie]

I finally gave up on waiting... I ordered a Mafell P1cc earlier today  [big grin].  I've gone back and forth about the price difference between these saws, but by the time you add the Carvex Accessory Kit your nearly there anyway.  I am interested to see how well the blade clamping system works?  I'd be glad to be done with the blade guide blocks and rollers.

Cool...would love to hear your thoughts on this one.  I just bought a Trion and I am blown away by how smooth and accurate it is...no longer dreaming about a Carvex.

Scot

 

[epicxt]

I finally gave up on waiting... I ordered a Mafell P1cc earlier today  [big grin].  I've gone back and forth about the price difference between these saws, but by the time you add the Carvex Accessory Kit your nearly there anyway.  I am interested to see how well the blade clamping system works?  I'd be glad to be done with the blade guide blocks and rollers.

I'd also be interested in your experience with the Mafell. I've been holding off getting a new jigsaw since the first carvex release was announced.

Unfortunately my old jigsaw is no longer reliable for cutting openings in countertops and has been relegated to coping duties with a Collins foot.

Ready to pull the trigger on a new jigsaw and the idea of no guide rollers to adjust is appealing...

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Seems like festool doesnt want to release carvex too close to new ts55?

Not the case at all. We've launched products back to back before.

Ready to pull the trigger on a new jigsaw and the idea of no guide rollers to adjust is appealing...

The Carvex 420 requires that the carbide jaws be adjusted to the blade being used for optimal cut quality.

 

[woodie]

I'll be sure to report back once I have it in my hands (Friday or Monday).

 

[fshanno]

I'll be sure to report back once I have it in my hands (Friday or Monday).

You are getting some of those extra thick blades right?

Will they fit in other jigsaws?  Course, any kind of side support would have to moved away cause they are tapered. 

Seems like those blades would improve the performance of even the cheapest jigsaw.  If they will fit.  Even if you had to do some filing on the top of the blade.

Did this video influence your purchase decision?

Mafell P1CC vs. Carvex

Is this some sort of trick?  Must be.

 

[woodie]

Ha, no. I've seen that one, but I have a feeling user error was the main culprit behind the Carvex destroying the blade.  Setting the guide blocks too tight can cause a blade to fail pretty quickly but I've never seen one fail like that. You really do need to readjust the guide blocks each time you change blades, which is one of the reasons I decided to give the Mafell a go.

I do have a set of the Cunex (tapered) blades coming with the saw. I'll make a point to see if it fits in a standard t-shank jigsaw.

 

[Paul G]

I finally gave up on waiting... I ordered a Mafell P1cc earlier today  [big grin].  I've gone back and forth about the price difference between these saws, but by the time you add the Carvex Accessory Kit your nearly there anyway.  I am interested to see how well the blade clamping system works?  I'd be glad to be done with the blade guide blocks and rollers.

Am I right that there is just one dealer in the US?

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Did this video influence your purchase decision?

Is this some sort of trick?  Must be.

There's a very lengthy thread here on the forum about that video. It was created by a Mafell dealer in the Netherlands and was manipulated to create that outcome. The results were debunked by multiple Europe Carvex owners who replicated the tests without issues.

You can't believe everything you see on YouTube.  [wink]

 

[Rick Christopherson]

The Carvex 420 requires that the carbide jaws be adjusted to the blade being used for optimal cut quality.

I just wanted to clarify that while it is important for the guide jaws to be close to the blade, it is not necessarily required to re-adjust them with every blade change. If all you are doing is putting in a fresh blade of the same type, it doesn't hurt to check the jaw clearance, but it should not be necessary to make any adjustment. If the jaws are set so close to the blade that switching to a fresh blade of the same type causes the blade to bind, then the jaws were set too close in the first place.

On the other hand, if you are switching to a different style blade, then you should check/adjust the jaws for optimal performance. Each blade type may have a different body thickness. Some will be very thick, and some will be very thin, depending on the design and purpose of the particular blade.

It should also be noted that how close you bring the jaws to the body of the blade is dependent on how critical the cut is to you. For less precise work, you can leave the jaws set slightly wider and not worry about how well the lateral guidance is. For more precise cuts, bring the jaws in closer to the blade, as long as they are not touching the blade.

I do have a set of the Cunex (tapered) blades coming with the saw. I'll make a point to see if it fits in a standard t-shank jigsaw.

Using a trapezoidal-body blade in a Carvex jigsaw would be problematic for the guide jaw adjustment and function. You might be able to get away with it if you set the pendulum motion to zero, but otherwise, there is a risk that the blade would bind in the jaws during the rearward sweep of the pendulum motion. The jaws would have to be set wide to permit the thicker part of the body to enter the jaws during the down stroke, but during the cutting upstroke, the jaws would then be too wide for proper guidance.

 

[MrToolJunkie]

The beauty of the Festool System is that you get amazing cuts from all types of blades and have the flexibility to adjust and switch between them.  I have another make jigsaw and while it is powerful, has dust collection, a light and all the other bells and whistles, it struggles making parallel cuts, even with thicker blades.  here is no lateral support other than a couple of roller bearings on the back.  The Trion cut perfectly, and I mean dead-nuts perfect right out of the Systainer and I have replicated it with thick and thin blades from Festool and other manufacturers. 

I think it would be very helpful to put blade thickness on the package/catalog for Festool jigsaw blades -- this would help ensure you are getting the optimum blade thickness for the material being cut.  The new Carvex blades are thicker than the previous Trion blades with the same tooth configuration and both of these blades allow you to get perfect cuts on the Trion and near perfect on a jigsaw without lateral support.  I would worry that without any kind of support that blades would wander or follow grain patterns.  Of course I do not have other jigsaws to test this theory, but it seems difficult to hold a blade tight enough to prevent wander.  Of course vibration and power also play into a saws performance and the blade itself with tooth configuration, speed of the machine, orbit, etc...  Lots of variables.

Scot

 

[fshanno]

Using a trapezoidal-body blade in a Carvex jigsaw would be problematic for the guide jaw adjustment and function. You might be able to get away with it if you set the pendulum motion to zero, but otherwise, there is a risk that the blade would bind in the jaws during the rearward sweep of the pendulum motion. The jaws would have to be set wide to permit the thicker part of the body to enter the jaws during the down stroke, but during the cutting upstroke, the jaws would then be too wide for proper guidance.

That's not what we mean.  We don't want to use the side blocks at all.  Take them off if necessary.  And I'm mainly interested it seeing if that fat blade will make a modest jigsaw perform better. 

 

[fshanno]

Did this video influence your purchase decision?

Is this some sort of trick?  Must be.

There's a very lengthy thread here on the forum about that video. It was created by a Mafell dealer in the Netherlands and was manipulated to create that outcome. The results were debunked by multiple Europe Carvex owners who replicated the tests without issues.

You can't believe everything you see on YouTube.  [wink]

So it was a trick.  I was thinking fine tune the board thickness in a planer to make the Carvex struggle where the Mafell wouldn't.

 

[jonathan-m]

Definitely agree the thickness of that beam was very dubious and it's obvious to anyone the Carvex blade didn't have enough clearance for that cut. The other points made in that video are fair and solid though.
I can't comment on the qualities of the Carvex 420 as I haven't used it yet, but the Mafell is the best jigsaw I've personally used to date.
I'm looking forward to your comments and experiences with the thing Woodie.

 

[newbirdhunter]

You can't believe everything you see on YouTube.  [wink]

I read, on the Internet, that you can't put anything that is not true on the Internet.

[eek]

 

[Rocky]

Sure would have been nice if it had been released for Father's Day.