CMS Discontinued

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CMS system have been removed from Festools website (eu) and I got confirmed from a dealer, that due to new EU restrictions, CMS will no longer be available. For now, there is no info on new CMS replacement.

Ive ordered an Erika tablesaw, at it seems it is delayed, cause Mafell has to make some new modifications to the saw, before they ship it. The reason was these new restrictions.

Does anyone know what these new EU restrictions is all about ?
 
Thanks [member=64030]TinyShop[/member] I have that document readily available, and several others. ;)

But it might be interesting for others!

I just couldn‘t find what I was looking for, thats why I asked. :)

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
I am not an expert, but I think one thing is making sure tools do not start automatically when there is a loss of power.
 
ScotF said:
I am not an expert, but I think one thing is making sure tools do not start automatically when there is a loss of power.
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I believe that has been implemented many years ago. Ive never had a powertool to start up automatically after a powerloss.
 
six-point socket II said:
Michel said:
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Does anyone know what these new EU restrictions is all about ?
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We're trying to figure that out as well. ->http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-cms-discontinued/

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[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member]

Phil, can you by chance say something about the regulations/ point us in the right direction of where to look? EC directive 2006/42/EC (Machine directive)?

Would be highly appreciated! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver
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Hey Oliver
Apology for the delay but FESTOOL UK has been moving into a new HQ and we started with a product launch so a lot to do.

Ok, this relates to changes with EU requirements (with or without BREXIT as FESTOOL are based in DE so are European so the request applies) from manufacturers to make changes to some products and one of the areas is the switch for safety. Put this into google IEC 62841-1:2014, make some coffee and read away :-)……

  However this also means that some changes are not possible from manufacturers on the machine due to cost and time. Maybe some products have reached the end of their lifecycle and so are removed from the portfolio - the CMS is one of them. Unfortunate but with the advent of Shaper and lower cost CNC. As a manufacturer we have a responsibility to abide by the rules upto the date when they come in force as after a certain date the product cannot be sold from the manufacturer but previous stock can be sold by dealers. I am a huge fan of the CMS-OF and am sorry to see it go as so much can be achieved with it. Maybe its progress to other working platforms but for now there is no choice.
  The recent changes to the C.S, SYM70 and KAPEX saws was also part of the request so the guard on the 50/70 is bigger and also works better for angle cuts, better stability, easy reach storage etc so that any H+S items such as push sticks can be reached easily and in theory used more often.
  I am not aware of any other products that will go from the portfolio but some will have very small changes so we comply
Hope this helps and any q's get back to me
rg
Phil
Technical trainer
FESTOOL U.K

 
[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] , THANKS for the explanation!

Peter
 
The way that I interpreted the new regs is that when a portable power hand tool is fitted to a stand it is then considered a fixed machine and must have a power fail switch. Because the festool routers, saws etc. can be connected to bypass the CMS switch the power fail switch would have to be on the power tool.

By not having a stand to fit these tools Festool can conform to the new regs without having to alter all their products.

So I suspect that the days of a Festool CMS system are now gone but if some other manufacturer made something compatible then that would be OK.
 
Bohdan said:
The way that I interpreted the new regs is that when a portable power hand tool is fitted to a stand it is then considered a fixed machine and must have a power fail switch. Because the festool routers, saws etc. can be connected to bypass the CMS switch the power fail switch would have to be on the power tool.

By not having a stand to fit these tools Festool can conform to the new regs without having to alter all their products.

So I suspect that the days of a Festool CMS system are now gone but if some other manufacturer made something compatible then that would be OK.
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That was my understanding too - as a big part of the new standard.
 
Hi Phil, ( [member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] )

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain!  :)

Making some coffee now. ;)

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
Bohdan said:
The way that I interpreted the new regs is that when a portable power hand tool is fitted to a stand it is then considered a fixed machine and must have a power fail switch. Because the festool routers, saws etc. can be connected to bypass the CMS switch the power fail switch would have to be on the power tool.

By not having a stand to fit these tools Festool can conform to the new regs without having to alter all their products.

So I suspect that the days of a Festool CMS system are now gone but if some other manufacturer made something compatible then that would be OK.
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….that's a good overview :-)
rg
Phil
 
So does it means that now all router tables will need to be discontinued? Not just Festool but any company?
 
Francis_Beland said:
So does it means that now all router tables will need to be discontinued? Not just Festool but any company?
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You can have a router table setup if say a maker of the table makes it universal, thus they aren't selling you a router/system, they sell you something you then do what you please with.  For a long time, you have had the situation where if you sold routers and tables you didn't make it work with other companies stuff, since you would have to certify to work with each router, which cost a lot of money and you make no money of that router.  The company that makes a similar system to the CMS has a setup with the router and a video online even touches on this where they comment on the cost to certify so it is designed to only work with their router(s),  CMS was the same way. 

Now this might kill off setups like the CMS, but what it very well means is companies like festool will just take the stuff they make and repurpose it into a stand alone thing.  So it would make sense for Festool to take a CS/50/70 chassis, remove the saw bits, replace with OF2200 parts and call it done.  You can't pull a router out of it and use it hand held, but you can something the uses all the same system bits, so development would be fairly cheap.

The new rule makes sense. Honestly there are battery tools that could use this.  I have a M18 multitool, if the battery dies, you plug a fresh one in it, it takes off running since the power switch is still on, it's really very dangerous.  I'm made the mistake a couple times and luckily have not hurt myself, I've done it enough times now that I remember to not do it, but someone can get really hurt that first mistake.
 
Any Fein or Makita cordless tools that I’ve bought in the last few years, have all had the safety built in that stops a tool running if switched on during a battery change. Grinders, multi tools, sanders, anything with an on/off switch really. So it’s not by any means a new thing.

 
Jiggy Joiner said:
Any Fein or Makita cordless tools that I’ve bought in the last few years, have all had the safety built in that stops a tool running if switched on during a battery change. Grinders, multi tools, sanders, anything with an on/off switch really. So it’s not by any means a new thing.
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That's good.  Maybe big red didn't get the memo.

"widow maker"    Go to 6:35  I have the same tool, but I haven't had it very long. My reaction was very similar to his.
 
So I'm curious how the stability of the CMS router table compares to the MFT?
 
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