CMS Question

[TinyShop]

[member=61254]mino[/member] - I stand amended! That said, two operations (instead of just one) would be required to turn the router "on"; the user would have to depress the CMS's "on" button, then reach under the table and depress and lock the router's trigger. I think I'm correct about this, right? 

 

[Imemiter]

All of them, not just the OF 2200. This is mandated in EU since 2021 .. hence the date.

This explains the issue I'm having with my OF1400 in the CMS. Once again the FOG clears things up. Now I'm wondering if there's a supply of non-NVR router switches out there. 

 

[Sparktrician]

[member=61254]mino[/member] - I stand amended! That said, two operations (instead of just one) would be required to turn the router "on"; the user would have to depress the CMS's "on" button, then reach under the table and depress and lock the router's trigger. I think I'm correct about this, right?

 

WRONG!  You can lock the OF 2200 power switch on, then using an aftermarket 20 amp switch (preferably mounted ABOVE the table surface where it can be seen and instantly operated to the OFF position should there be a need to shut down the OF 2200 right now.

 

[Sparktrician]

All of them, not just the OF 2200. This is mandated in EU since 2021 .. hence the date.

This explains the issue I'm having with my OF1400 in the CMS. Once again the FOG clears things up. Now I'm wondering if there's a supply of non-NVR router switches out there.

McMaster-Carr (https://www.mcmaster.com/push-button-circuit-breaker-switches/) sells an excellent 20 amp push-button ON/OFF switch, part number 3931T44.  You'll need to buy a deep box to accommodate the lugs on the back of the switch. 

 

[mino]

[member=61254]mino[/member] - I stand amended! That said, two operations (instead of just one) would be required to turn the router "on"; the user would have to depress the CMS's "on" button, then reach under the table and depress and lock the router's trigger. I think I'm correct about this, right?

Had my post drafted before seeing yours ...

Just wanted to make clear the incompatibility is just the NVR switch and that it is not absolute or about safety (when at 230V).

Hence if one wants to use a specific router in CMS only once in a year or so, that may still be fine. The OF 2200 is a beast so may be tricky to get it used ... not many people will want to part with it once splurging on one ..

Also, I believe strongly that most of the strong points - why the OF 2200 is so great - are actually downplayed in table use. If I wanted to dedicate a router to a CMS, getting an older OF 1400 2nd hand. Not to mention one can actually get it ..

Also, if there was a router that one wants NVR in for handheld use .. it is the OF 2200.

So a strategy where one has the OF 1010 R (with NVR) as the go-to, an older OF 1400 in CMS semi-permanently, and a new OF 2200 (again with NVR) as the monster for handheld use makes sense to me. Using the OF 2200 on special occasions in CMS may actually be fine even with the double-switch action. Just not a permanent setup.

McMaster-Carr (https://www.mcmaster.com/push-button-circuit-breaker-switches/) sells an excellent 20 amp push-button ON/OFF switch, part number 3931T44.  You'll need to buy a deep box to accommodate the lugs on the back of the switch.

Actually, this will not help with an NVR switch issue - one would have to replace the electronics in the newer version of the OF 2200 for any type of a remote switch to work. I will work fine with the older model though.

EDIT:
Ref. the 13.5A rating .. this is a non-issue over here at 230V as the amperage rating is the same. I am still not sure how much of a problem this would be to overload the switch in theory, switches like this are rated for safe opening at a given load, and given the OF2200 is not a sustained-load device .. but from a safety perspective there is no way this can pass. I have edited the posts.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

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Most of the equipment that requires you to push a "momentary" switch, one that is spring-loaded, works like that.

Actually, this type of equipment does *not* have to include an NVR switch. It is mandatory only /and makes sense/ for tools which have a possibility to lock the switch in the "on" position.

mino, I was referring to bigger equipment like full size table saw, vertical panel saw, etc. at least the ones I am familiar with. They have magnetic switches. You can literally hear the clunk of the magnets making contact. When those lose power, the connection is broken, because the magnets are released. They will not restart, because he switch is not "on" anymore.

We do have a couple of momentary-switch tools that are not magnetic, but those do not stay running by themselves anyway. The hinge boring machines only run while you hold the switch, there is no "off" switch, other than the master lock-out/tag-out, you just release the switch and it stops.

 

[Imemiter]

[member=61254]mino[/member] - I stand amended! That said, two operations (instead of just one) would be required to turn the router "on"; the user would have to depress the CMS's "on" button, then reach under the table and depress and lock the router's trigger. I think I'm correct about this, right?

That's the way it's working with my OF1400. The stop button still turns everything off, which is useful. But yes, turning everything back on is a two-step process. My best options now are to either find a switch from old stock, or get someone to sell me their older OF2200. (Looking your way guy who sold me the CMS!)

 

[TinyShop]

[member=7493]Sparktrician[/member] - I think you misread my conclusion. The process to start a router fitted with an NVR, as evidenced by [member=71322]Imemiter[/member], is most definitely a two-step process: first, press the CMS's "on" button to provide electricity to the router and then turn the router on by depressing and locking the trigger. Said another way, while the CMS's "off" button will still work as purposed, the user will not be able to turn the router on solely by relying on the CMS's "on" button. 

 

[Sparktrician]

[member=7493]Sparktrician[/member] - I think you misread my conclusion. The process to start a router fitted with an NVR, as evidenced by [member=71322]Imemiter[/member], is most definitely a two-step process: first, press the CMS's "on" button to provide electricity to the router and then turn the router on by depressing and locking the trigger. Said another way, while the CMS's "off" button will still work as purposed, the user will not be able to turn the router on solely by relying on the CMS's "on" button.

[member=64030]TinyShop[/member], to clarify, I'm going on my personal experience with my own OF 2200 which I purchased in 2010.  It works as described in my circumstances.  [smile]

 

[Imemiter]

[member=7493]Sparktrician[/member] - I think you misread my conclusion. The process to start a router fitted with an NVR, as evidenced by [member=71322]Imemiter[/member], is most definitely a two-step process: first, press the CMS's "on" button to provide electricity to the router and then turn the router on by depressing and locking the trigger. Said another way, while the CMS's "off" button will still work as purposed, the user will not be able to turn the router on solely by relying on the CMS's "on" button.

It's turning out to be more of a three-step process. The router has to be turned off before the CMS switch will turn on. So, turn the router off > turn the CMS on > turn the router on. I'm adapting to this kludge more quickly than I should. Need an old router!

 

[TinyShop]

[member=71322]Imemiter[/member] - well, that's definitely annoying. I really hope you can find a non-NVR switch. I would think they're readily available given the many (tens of?) thousands of us who have pre-NVR machines who don't want to be forced to switch (no pun intended) should a switch ever need replacing. I also hope, for your sake, that it's only the switch that's different. Would be nice if you could simply swap the switches and then be in business. If able, let us know what you find. 

 

[Imemiter]

[member=71322]Imemiter[/member] [...]If able, let us know what you find.

Happy New Year. The previous owner agreed to sell me his older OF2200 (yay but ouch $$$, but yay!) Though now, after running a few dozen feet of 5/4 through a bullnose bit, I'm inclined to agree with Mino that the OF1400 is router enough for the CMS. At any rate, this way I'll have a 2200. 

Interestingly, the seller had his 2200 mounted to the CMS using a spare 2200 base plate he'd screwed onto the CMS. He did this so he could quick-release the router from the plate for hand use out of the table. I'll give this a try using the hold down (up?) brackets for backup. I tried a search for this hack, but surprisingly haven't found any mention of it here. If it seems bomber I'll post some follow up pics.

Thanks, everyone, for a super helpful post.   

 

[bwehman]

I have all four routers and the 1400 (the first router I got) started to get passed over all the time for one of the others. The addition of the 700, 1010 and 2200 sort of orphaned the 1400. Then I got the CMS and now the 1400 has found its role and is absolutely perfect for that table. For me, the 2200 is too useful out in the open to dedicate to the CMS.

 

[TinyShop]

[member=71322]Imemiter[/member] - that's actually brilliant. And, you're right, I've never come across that approach before either. I'm regularly installing and removing my OF1400 from the CMS and the idea never occurred to me. That's maybe because the positioning of the machine in the module doesn't matter (unlike, say, a plunge saw, which does require a little attention to ensuring that each install copies the previous to make sure that the alignment between the blade and the stuff above the table - rip fence, sliding table, etc. - isn't screwed up) so I haven't minded all the fiddly bits.

So, how much faster is the process using a spare base plate compared to using the stock hold downs? Is there a real time savings? Is it easier using machine screws and a cordless driver (which I assume your install relies on) compared to fiddling manually with the knobs? I assume your setup mounts within/around the stock lift, right? 

Speaking for myself I'd like to see photos of this hack. 

 

[Imemiter]

So, how much faster is the process using a spare base plate compared to using the stock hold downs? Is there a real time savings? Is it easier using machine screws and a cordless driver (which I assume your install relies on) compared to fiddling manually with the knobs? I assume your setup mounts within/around the stock lift, right? 

Speaking for myself I'd like to see photos of this hack.

I'm picking up the router sometime this weekend, so I haven't got the whole picture yet. When I got the table I had to remove the 2200 baseplate to install my 1400. The CMS deck had four or small countersunk holes for machine screws. All flush with the deck, ofc. The baseplate, which appears to be part #495217, has four of five threaded holes for the screws. The phenolic resin surface had been removed from the baseplate.

My understanding is that the install still uses the referencing pin and green centering ring. And that the idea is to rely solely on the 2200's baseplate quick release (and I suppose to some degree, the lift tower,) to hold the router up. I will come back with some pictures once I get all the parts together.

 

[Cheese]

When I got the table I had to remove the 2200 baseplate to install my 1400. The CMS deck had four or small countersunk holes for machine screws. All flush with the deck, ofc. The baseplate, which appears to be part #495217, has four of five threaded holes for the screws. The phenolic resin surface had been removed from the baseplate.

My understanding is that the install still uses the referencing pin and green centering ring. And that the idea is to rely solely on the 2200's baseplate quick release (and I suppose to some degree, the lift tower,) to hold the router up. I will come back with some pictures once I get all the parts together.

I don't think that part number is correct because I can't locate that number on the Festool US or UK websites.

It is an interesting hack however because releasing the 2200 from the CMS plate can be an issue with the stock Festool angle brackets and thumb screws.

 

[epicxt]

I’m trying to recall the name of the FOG member who posted this hack maybe 10-12 years ago. Was located in GB and always posted interesting work. Had brutally honest tool reviews, and was in the process of building a large shop with a full-size cnc on the first floor when I stepped away from the forum years ago.
This jiggle any memory cells from our older members?

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[guybo]

I’m trying to recall the name of the FOG member who posted this hack maybe 10-12 years ago. Was located in GB and always posted interesting work. Had brutally honest tool reviews, and was in the process of building a large shop with a full-size cnc on the first floor when I stepped away from the forum years ago.
This jiggle any memory cells from our older members?

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jmbfestool

 

[Cheese]

jmbfestool

You got it...that's exactly who I was thinking about.  [big grin]

 

[guybo]

This jiggle any memory cells from our older members?

I wanted to let one of those seniors exercise their seniority  [big grin]