CMS Table Extension Question

[copcarcollector]

Is 493822  (shown on the German site) the same as 492092 (shown in the USA catalog)? Basically an additional outfeed table.
I can only find side view pics of 493822, but no explanation on how it attaches to the CMS.

Thanks in advance--

 

[tbellemare]

If you look at this page, it shows them as different.

I don't know what the 493822 is but it looks like it might be an infeed table so it can get around the switch?

Tom

 

[copcarcollector]

Tom - Thanks for the reply. The link does not work for me, was it a website or pdf file or..? Thanks

 

[tbellemare]

'Sorry about that... I had some special sauce with that browser at the time.

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Tom

 

[copcarcollector]

Thanks Tom - I saw that picture / comparison, but still don't know what, if any, the difference is!

 

[tbellemare]

I'm not sure either but it looks like the 493822 has a very different connection mechanism.

Tom

 

[copcarcollector]

Thanks again Tom - I think I found it, looks like a right hand side extension if the CMS is in table saw mode. For a router table, I don't think it would be of any use:

Photo credit to FOG member Windmill Man, thanks!

 

[tbellemare]

Ah, I think you've got it.

Tom

 

[GarryMartin]

You're spot on. It's a right-hand extension for the CMS-GE table.

There are actually two "VB-CMS" options; the one you list is part number 493822 and is known as "VB-CMS" and the other is part number 495531 and is known as "VB-CMS/CS 50" (picture below).

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[sancho57]

Thanks Tom - I saw that picture / comparison, but still don't know what, if any, the difference is!

Yes they are different. The one with the double arm is a out feed table. The one with the single arm is what I used as a side extension for the saw module.

Ill. hunt down a photo of the complete set up I saw on another site..

Wait for it,

waittttttt

here it is,

Notice the side table?

Also if you check out the dimensions of the tables the side table is the length of the CMS where the out feed is different / the width (i think)
Oh I see it was already answered..

Never mind     [censored] [oops]

 

[sancho57]

Thanks again Tom - I think I found it, looks like a right hand side extension if the CMS is in table saw mode. For a router table, I don't think it would be of any use:

Photo credit to FOG member Windmill Man, thanks!

Heres a good look at one (mines)

 

[neeleman]

For the CMS-GE/CS 50/MFT/3 tables the following extensions are available:
- 492092 VL-CMS (where VL stands for Verlängerung) for a longer table
- 493822 VB-CMS (where VB stands for Verbreiterung) for a wider table NAINA
- 495331 VB-CMS/CS 50 (where VB stands for Verbreiterung) for a wider table NAINA
- 495510 MFT 3-VL (where VL stands for Verlengerung) for a longer table NAINA

Where the CMS-GE and CS 50 share the same table & rails. But both are not sold in the USA.
The VL-CMS and VB-CMS both have two supports beneath the tables.
In fact all these fit on the same rails and are 900 mm high. But are little different from each other.

 

[xylosaurus]

Has anyone ever used the VB-CMS/CS 50 extension ? Or seen it in real ?
I wonder how it is attached on the CMS or to the CS50.
It has some squared grooves that would allow to attach it to a MFT3 but I really wonder how it would be paired with a CMS or precisio CS50 ?

 

[Pixel]

Has anyone ever used the VB-CMS/CS 50 extension ? Or seen it in real ?
I wonder how it is attached on the CMS or to the CS50.
It has some squared grooves that would allow to attach it to a MFT3 but I really wonder how it would be paired with a CMS or precisio CS50 ?

I have one fastened to a CMS unit, it connects to the CMS via 2 screws which lock the extension down to the top rail of the CMS, there are also 2 levelling screws to adjust the height of the extension to match the height of the CMS. The biggest advantage of this extension over the cantilever model is stability and the added weight.
On my set up the CMS/VB-CMS is connected to the end of an MFT using the connecting rods which makes the MFT more stable and in turn makes the CMS even more stable.

 

[xylosaurus]

Hello Pixel, thanks for the answer, I guess that your CMS is  the VL, the one with 2 legs that is meant to be attached to a MFT3.
Then it makes sens to extend it with the VB-CMS/CS 50 extension because they have the same size.

But how can the VB-CMS/CS 50 (775 x 480 mm) be compatible with the precisio CS50 (585 x 400 mm) since they have no common dimension ?

Or it would be quite an awkward match and then I guess the LA-CS 50/CMS (buttée longitudinale in french, stopper in english) would not be able to travel from the precisio to the extension.

So then why is it called VB-CMS/CS 50 ? and listed as an extension for the precisio CS50 ?

 

[CO_JCD]

Be careful in ordering the VB - there are two versions, one for the CMS and one for the CS 50.  Mechanically they are identical, the difference being in the offsets in the attached scale that references off the main unit.

I ended up getting the wrong unit as the descriptions were not clear / varied wherever I looked in the Festool literature.  I even checked with Festool prior to purchase.  Festool made good and supplied me with the alternate scale (which simple screws on in a grove) so it worked out OK.

Clearly better to make sure you order the correct part in the first place.

I was not aware of the (third) VB option with full legs - maybe this is newer / a replacement for the VB for the CS50 that I talk about above?

John

 

[Pixel]

Hello Pixel, thanks for the answer, I guess that your CMS is  the VL, the one with 2 legs that is meant to be attached to a MFT3.
Then it makes sens to extend it with the VB-CMS/CS 50 extension because they have the same size.

But how can the VB-CMS/CS 50 (775 x 480 mm) be compatible with the precisio CS50 (585 x 400 mm) since they have no common dimension ?

Or it would be quite an awkward match and then I guess the LA-CS 50/CMS (buttée longitudinale in french, stopper in english) would not be able to travel from the precisio to the extension.

So then why is it called VB-CMS/CS 50 ? and listed as an extension for the precisio CS50 ?

I have a CMS with 4 legs which has a VB-CMS/CS 50 with 2 legs attached to it, both are same size in depth, this is then fastened to a MFT which is bigger depth wise than the CMS

I also have the CMS 2 legs with a power supply that is fastened to a CS 70 and these are the same size depth wise as the MFT.

HOWEVER none of the CMS modules will fit in a VB-CMS:CS 50, this is just and extension piece that comes with a blanking plate.

Hope the attached photographs are helpful

 

[xylosaurus]

Thank you so much, I now understand the way all those pieces can connect together.

Still I dont see how the VB-CMS/CS 50 can go side by side with a CS50. This remains a mystery.

I will buy the cantilever style extension, as I have seen it on many setups using it and I will make sure I order the correct version as CO_JCD explained above.

Pixel, I have 2 more questions :
1 - are you using the Kapex crown stop (AB-KS) to attach some of the tables together ?
2 - on the picture below, the screw I surrounded in red, is it from festool ? or is it something you invented ?

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[Pixel]

Thank you so much, I now understand the way all those pieces can connect together.

Still I dont see how the VB-CMS/CS 50 can go side by side with a CS50. This remains a mystery.

I will buy the cantilever style extension, as I have seen it on many setups using it and I will make sure I order the correct version as CO_JCD explained above.

Pixel, I have 2 more questions :
1 - are you using the Kapex crown stop (AB-KS) to attach some of the tables together ?
2 - on the picture below, the screw I surrounded in red, is it from festool ? or is it something you invented ?

[attachthumb=1]

The CMS and the CS 50 are the same, one accepts modules and the other has a fixed saw, the dimensions of the table on both is the same size, you may be getting confused with the CS 70 which is bigger that the CMS, same size as an MFT. The VB is for the CMS:CS and the VL is bigger because it accepts the modules which are too big to go into the VB.

No the screw is a pixel modification, 8mm threaded rod into a nut in the grove section of MFT and a nut and washer on the other end of the VB, everything bolted or screwed together give me a table that even I cannot move no matter how hard I push.

It is very complicated because they look the same but they are not, easiest way to remember is that the one that fits the CMS qs an extension has a blanking plate, the one that fits the MFT or in my set up allows me to attach a CS70 to my MFT set up has a power supply and no blanking plate, I bought the module plate for the jigsaw to fill in the hole, giving me more bench space.

 

[xylosaurus]

Yes that's a bit complicated but very interesting, you are certainly an expert at attaching all those things together.

So in my case the question is : can you attach a precisio CS50 and a CMS (4 feet) together ? Is it possible ?