CMS TS 55 /55R saw module

[Peter Fish]

Happy New Year everybody
can anybody tell me if the older model TS55 saw will fit and work in the newer TS55R module ?
Hope you can help
cheers
Peter

 

[GarryMartin]

No it won't.

There are a number of components in the modules that are shared, but there are some significant differences.

If you have a TS 55, you'll need the TS 55 insert and likewise if you have a TS 55R, you'll need the TS 55R insert.

 

[dutchie]

No it won't.

There are a number of components in the modules that are shared, but there are some significant differences.

If you have a TS 55, you'll need the TS 55 insert and likewise if you have a TS 55R, you'll need the TS 55R insert.

Are you sure? Isn't the biggest difference between the older basis 1a/2a models and the CMS models?

I'm saying this because I have a CMS-TS55 insert and a TS55REBQ saw and it fits in there...

 

[GarryMartin]

Are you sure?

As sure as I can be. I did a detailed comparison of the two modules a while back when I was considering purchase options and there are four components that are different between the two; Depth stop, Safety device, Guard carrier and Flange bolt.

To be certain, I'd guess you'd have to check with Festool themselves, but I'd be incredibly surprised. Why have two different stock numbers if a single insert worked with both saws?

I'm saying this because I have a CMS-TS55 insert and a TS55REBQ saw and it fits in there...

Maybe "fits" "and designed for" such that it "operates safely" are different things?

 

[peter halle]

Of course over here we don't have any of those.  If you have any questions regarding the applicability and the safety of using this you should get in touch with Festool in your country.  I can guarantee you that they wouldn't have developed a different insert for the TS-55 REQ just for fun.  Not worth risking fingers or other body parts.

Peter

 

[dutchie]

Of course over here we don't have any of those.  If you have any questions regarding the applicability and the safety of using this you should get in touch with Festool in your country.  I can guarantee you that they wouldn't have developed a different insert for the TS-55 REQ just for fun.  Not worth risking fingers or other body parts.

Peter

Ill try to see if I can find out some more. I purchased the unit second hand and the seller told me he contacted Festool and they had told him just the name was different, both saws should fit. When I watch this video of Festool TV the unit looks the same as I have >

But perhaps the seller was just sweet talking me into buying the unit...

 

[GarryMartin]

I've drawn red circles around the four components that are different in the TS-55R module versus the TS-55 one. Hope this helps.

[attachimg=#]

 

[RC]

Hmm, if that is all the difference it would probably work as long as the front handle & front connection bolt location in the saw base are the same in both saws.

The riving knife/dust shroud combo is not required for sawing and frankly I haven't bothered to install it a single time yet on mine and use the saw with its integrated riving knife in the CMS module as well.

I guess Festool came up with a new number because the riving knife connetion was simplified in the R model and they had to change that part. I wouldn't ve suprised if the dust shroud is actually identical and only the knife part is saw specific.

What exactly has changed with the depth gauge part?

 

[Peter Fish]

Hey guys
Thank you so much for all your input I appreciate your speedy responses
Cheers Peter

 

[GarryMartin]

What exactly has changed with the depth gauge part?

I don't know Reiska, I can only go from the EKAT information. I just know it is a different part number and cost.

On the TS55R module it is P/N 10002797 @ £22.38 GBP and on the TS55 module it is P/N 493649 @ £26.03 GBP.

 

[dutchie]

Ill try and see if I can take some pictures tomorrow so hopefully we can solve this mystery

 

[Acrobat]

I have a 55r new and got the Cms table second hand, with its saw fitting attachment that came with it. I found it was for the older TS55 model and I needed to purchase some for the 55r parts to make it fit. The main part required is the part that slides over the handle, they look very similar but are different. I found the orig part would not fit the saw properly and not allow the depth of blade setting to work fully. The blade guard I did not change as it works fine, the riving knife is different so you will need to get that, thinks thats about it from memory.

 

[chitupatel]

As sure as I can be. I did a detailed comparison of the two modules a while back when I was considering purchase options and there are four components that are different between the two; Depth stop, Safety device, Guard carrier and Flange bolt.

Can you please tell me the part number for the TS 55 CMS Module?

 

[GarryMartin]

Can you please tell me the part number for the TS 55 CMS Module?

I can, but it's NAINA (Not Available In North America) I'm afraid.

Module mounting CMS-TS 55 R is Part Number 570282.

Module mounting CMS-TS 55 is Part Number 493359.

 

[Deadskins]

This has probably been asked before.  I see the part number and can see it on the Fesstool UK site.

http://www.festool.co.uk/products/accessories/pages/detail.aspx?pid=493359&name=module-support-bench-saw-55-mm-cutting-depth-cms-ts-55

So, what is keeping someone from buying it and shipping to the USA?  It is an entirely 100% mechanical part, no power.  So, it should be able to be used in an American TS-55, right?

 

[GarryMartin]

Any Festool authorised dealer will be restricted from shipping to NA.

You could take a trip over and buy one yourself, or you could get a friend in the UK or Europe to buy one and ship it to you.

But Festool USA will provide you with no support, you will invalidate the warranty on your existing CMS, and you may fall foul of legal issues if you are anything but a hobbyist in a home workshop.

 

[dutchie]

Finally got round to taking some pictures of my TS 55 REBQ in my CMS TS 55 unit. As far as I can tell everything fits and works perfectly, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Also there is one part that I don't know the function of. It only shows up in the CMS TS 55 parts diagram and it's called " Splitting wedge barricade." Does anyone know what it's for?

 

[builderbob]

I found a Festool video on YouTube that says that you can get upgrade parts to use a 55R in a 55 module. You don't need to buy a whole new module. I see that the riving knife is different in how attaches to the saw. You no longer need to remove the old knife. The new longer knife attaches to the existing 55R knife. Also, the mount to raise and lower the saw is different. IIRC it attaches to the saw differently?  Not quite sure as I don't have one to compare (anybody wanna send one over I'll happily let you know)!

 

[GarryMartin]

Finally got round to taking some pictures of my TS 55 REBQ in my CMS TS 55 unit. As far as I can tell everything fits and works perfectly, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Also there is one part that I don't know the function of. It only shows up in the CMS TS 55 parts diagram and it's called " Splitting wedge barricade." Does anyone know what it's for?

How do you have the riving knife attached? In the TS55 module, the riving knife replaces the one in the saw. In the TS55R module, it is an addition to the existing riving knife.

I know you think everything fits and works perfectly, but you are mistaken. Some parts are definitely different. Does your depth adjustment work correctly, because those two parts are different on the two modules too due to the differing designs of the saws.

Finally, just to add to the "it's not designed for the TS55R" theme, the splitting wedge barricade is not required on the TS55R because the design is different. In the TS55 saw, it fits in a slot at the rear inside of the blade housing. As you'll see in the photos, this slot doesn't exist in the TS55R saw which is why you can't understand the function.

Please order the correct parts for the TS55R for your own safety. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, Festool wouldn't have designed a new module for the heck of it.

Festool T-55 Saw showing rear inside blade housing slot where the "splitting wedge barricade" fits.

[attachimg=#]

Festool TS-55R Saw showing the same position on the saw

[attachimg=#]

 

[RC]

Can anyone explain what that irritating widget actually does on the TS55 model?

I hate trying to sqeeze it in place when I need to remove/insert my 55 into the CMS insert and it has no apparent function that I can tell?