CMS vs Regular Router Table?

[nehardwoodfloors]

Totally agree with Alex. I'm sure run hard and Eric agree. There's lots of misplaced anger in this country right now.

 

[ceddy]

I don't know why people are so angry over the CMS features or lack there of... just don't buy it if you don't like it!

 

[ericbuggeln]

I was just offering a non popular viewpoint on a tool. You are still aloud to do that right? Eric

 

[Rocky]

We all have choices to make in life and they are not forced on us...

 

[andvari]

Because it sure ain't Festool who's doing the insulting here, I mean, over here in Europe we can have their stuff. In Australia they can have their stuff. In Africa they can have their stuff. And the rest of the world. They would happily sell it to you Americans too. It is not Festool who are keeping you from getting these goodies.

Sure, it's Festool who decide whether or not to sell them to you, but apparently some other factors, and one might say, NORTH AMERICAN factors, to be specific, influence their decisions heavily in this case.   

I mean, if the rest of the world can have Festool's products without limitations, but not North America, then, instead of blaming Festool, shouldn't you better point your finger at North America?  [scratch chin]

I am sure that Festool is going through the same growing pains that a lot of manufacturers do when they decide to go into new markets. They first think to sell their existing product line, and then find there are some local idiosyncrasies that weren't considered in the original design. As time goes on an understanding of these differences is built up and when new tools are designed they are built from the start to comply with requirements for the new markets as well as the old ones.

LOTS of companies sell into NA from all over the world. More so than Africa, Australia, etc. It's clearly a Festool issue. These issues will slowly go away as Festool becomes more acclimated to NA.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Alex,
Maybe you should think twice before you utter your words, because my intent wasn't a bash against Festool as a company, but it was against the NA limitations on the tools!

Surely a foreigner doesn't need to explain your own language to you?  [wink]

The TS is what I really would like to see as well. I understand the safety concerns, but to only offer the router module, and that without being able to use the OF2200, is almost insulting.

But lets do it anyway. The verb "to offer" requires a subject, which in this context can only be Festool, as router modules aren't generally offered by NA limitations.

Now if you mean something else then what you've written, that's possible, but your readers, like me, only have your written words to go on, and your written words were quite clear, leaving little room for interpretation.

 

[Runhard]

Alex,
Maybe you should think twice before you utter your words, because my intent wasn't a bash against Festool as a company, but it was against the NA limitations on the tools!

Surely a foreigner doesn't need to explain your own language to you?  [wink]

The TS is what I really would like to see as well. I understand the safety concerns, but to only offer the router module, and that without being able to use the OF2200, is almost insulting.

But lets do it anyway. The verb "to offer" requires a subject, which in this context can only be Festool, as router modules aren't generally offered by NA limitations.

Now if you mean something else then what you've written, that's possible, but your readers, like me, only have your written words to go on, and your written words were quite clear, leaving little room for interpretation.

Actually "to offer" is an infinitive phrase which does not require a subject. I will not waste anymore of my time explaining myself to someone who is clearly trying to attack me personally. You misunderstood, and I tried to make it clear that I wasn't bashing Festool.

 

[semenza]

Lets put the language class and picking at each other to rest guys.

Seth

 

[Stone Message]

Lets put the language class and picking at each other to rest guys.

Seth

Well done Seth...

I used to work for a German general who every now and again would correct my English. At first I resented his 'intrusion' into the domain of my mother tongue but then I realised that he was right. He had been educated in the old fashioned way, perhaps did Latin as well, and so I discovered that he, like Alex, was always spot on.

Peter

 

[peter halle]

Let's leave it alone as Seth suggested just a couple posts and move back to talking about the tools.

If you wish to discuss other things do it via a PM.

Thanks.

Peter

 

[Tinker]

Thank you Seth & Peter
Tinker

 

[Jalvis]

The CMS looks like a great router table....although I would only be interested if it had the 2200.

I'm desiring a new table.  My Kreg system is a good unit but I like the idea of the Jessem or CMS.  The 2200 has been on my list for a long time as its by far the most innovative.  Perhaps the CMS and 2200 would be a good addition....or eliminate the Kreg and go to the Jessem?  Remember when there wasn't nearly the options and everyone made there own systems?

Decisions are getting harder with all the options!

 

[Stone Message]

Its a little bit like the Olympics...

Athletes are getting better, competition is driving standards and we are all reaping the benefits. The top manufacturers (like Mafell, Festool and so on) are now having to work harder to try and stay one step ahead - guess who benefits - you and me!

As an aside - there is one advantage that Festool have above all of the competition, it is the FOG which, as I have said before, is greater than the sum of its parts, thanks to the dedication and enthusiasm of its members.

Peter

 

[Runhard]

The CMS with 2200 and TS modules and I'm a new owner for sure.  [thumbs up]

Me too  [thumbs up]

 

[ajones]

At the end of the day you will have the cms in the states and any serious users will be able to obtain any of the various inserts they desire

with little difficulty,and this must be pretty obvious to all and festool are not exposed to any litigation due to misuse of any modules not officially

available in the states [wink]

 

[sancho57]

Ive been eargerly chomping at the bit for the CMS to be released in the states.

But now looking at it soberly,

The unit I would want would be roughly $1200, Plus the cost of a 2200,( which I would figure out a way to install it).

That would be close to $2K for a router table and router.

So unless the other modules are released such as the TS, I can see where it would be cost prohibited.

I could literlaly sell my free standing cast iron router table ,  buy me a router table top insert ect use my PC 7815 router and just clamp it between my 2 MFTs  or make me a router table like Guidos that will attach to the MFT and I will have a portable unit wich will save me space.

Plus I will have saved enough $$ to pick up the domino XL & kit.

I figure I would be money ahead this way.

not trying to be controversial or a whiner,

jus saying…

 

[andvari]

I used to work for a German general who every now and again would correct my English. At first I resented his 'intrusion' into the domain of my mother tongue but then I realised that he was right. He had been educated in the old fashioned way, perhaps did Latin as well, and so I discovered that he, like Alex, was always spot on.

Peter

I have had the same experience with my wife, who is from Santiago, Chile. Her English is significantly better than mine, due in large part to the depth of her education and life experience.

It really became an issue when one of the schools I sent my children to automatically thought my sons would be weak in English because their mother is a Hispanic immigrant.

They got read the riot act which included the details of my wife's background. I don't think the school administration liked that experience but they brought it on themselves by stereotyping and profiling people without actually doing an evaluation.

 

[Stone Message]

I have two home made router tables - my original is a stand alone bench (on large castor wheels) and the second fits on the end of my MFT. I have the CMS unit but have to save to get the router insert. My very first look at the CMS-OF made me feel that the whole thing was too small but since building my MFT add on router table, which is about the same size as the CMS, I have changed my mind. I rarely throw big bits of wood at a router these days but know that my MFT can act as an in-feed or out-feed table if required. I have other moveable benches which have been made to the same (90cm) height as the MFT if things get desperate.

Oh, Andvari...I used to hate getting the telephone call from my general 'Peter, please pop up to my office' - it often meant another English lesson, more swallowing of pride and a little extra work. Never mind - he was always right, of course, he was German.

Peter

 

[Tinker]

I have two home made router tables - my original is a stand alone bench (on large castor wheels) and the second fits on the end of my MFT. I have the CMS unit but have to save to get the router insert. My very first look at the CMS-OF made me feel that the whole thing was too small but since building my MFT add on router table, which is about the same size as the CMS, I have changed my mind. I rarely throw big bits of wood at a router these days but know that my MFT can act as an in-feed or out-feed table if required. I have other moveable benches which have been made to the same (90cm) height as the MFT if things get desperate.

Oh, Andvari...I used to hate getting the telephone call from my general 'Peter, please pop up to my office' - it often meant another English lesson, more swallowing of pride and a little extra work. Never mind - he was always right, of course, he was German.

Peter

For my small workspace, i am thinking the CMS wood be perfect.  A lot of machinery to be set up as needed but stored away as not needed.  I won't jump right on to it until i get a chance to play with it or see a demo or two.

About those Germans always being right, has anybody ever driven a car in Germany.  It seems all drivers are always correct, no matter what the situation.  They just know that.  They all know that the other guy will always do the right thing.  ALWAYS. [blink]

The second or third time my wife and I, along with both children, visited her family, we decided to get away from everybody and go off on our own for a few days.  we had rented a small car (VW Golf 2 dr) and headed for the Black Forest area. For the most part, the drive was very relaxing and we enjoyed the scenery and the occasional stops and food adventures.

We were moving along a particularly curvy section of road with many small hilly sections.  As we came around a tight corner, i saw a large truckload of logs coming towards the intersection.  The truck was moving a bit faster than i felt he could make the stop.  I realized i had a couple of choices and decided i could be of most assistance to the trucker's problem by slowing down to give him room to make his turn without burning up brakes.  In US, a slowing down in a tight spot and blinking headlites would be a signal for the oncoming vehicle to keep moving.  there were no stop signs in any direction at the intersection.  It was not a cross roads and I knew the trucker could probably not stop no matter how much weight he might apply with his foot to brake.  I just blinked my lights and hoped he could make the turn.

The truckdriver just leaned on his air horn and only slowed a little.  As we got closer, i realized he was actually trying to make the stop.  He was blasting on his horn and appeared to be standing.  He must have really been pushing on the brakes.  He then started waving his fists at the windshield and i could see he was yelling.  I didn't think he was trying to start a friendly conversation and if i were to actually come to a stop, the disadvantage would be mine as his truck would be totally blocking the highway.  I did not think his next action would have been to shake hands and pat me on the back as if i were a long lost friend.

I floorboarded the Golf and got past the truck.  Fro the next four or five miles, all i could see in my rearview was truck bumper.  That guy was parking in my backseat.  My wife and kids were getting more then nervous.  my wife was telling me to slow down and let him pass.  there was no way he could have gotten past me with all of the corners.  I could not get much more out of the Golf.  The only advantage I had was that i was an experienced truck driver. I knew how he needed to negotiate both hills and corners. Not too many corners in that stretch, but lots of low hills.  I knew i should not slow down on the downgrades.  i had to give him plenty of space at the bottom of hills so he could build up speed for the upgrade.  With his load of logs, he could still practically push me up the hills.  I was probably closer to over load with the small car and four people than he was with several tons of logs.

At some point, the trucker must have realized i was trying hard to not hinder his travels and he backed off a little.  A few miles down the road, i noticed in my mirror that he was blinking his lights at me and then he turned off.  I think he might have realized that had i not slowed down at the beginning, i probably would not have realized he was in a hurry  : and I might not have speeded up in places where he had needed extra speed.   
Tinker

 

[RC]

In Germany, atleast on the autobahn, flashing headlight means 'give way, I'm going significantly faster than you' especially if combined with a blinker to the left on the leftmost lane... That could be the reason the truck driver misinterpreted your well meaning signal to go ahead. Don't know what would be the local signal to give way thou. In Finland you would wave your hand from right to left to signal that he can go first.

What always amazes me in Germany is the traffic culture that has developed there - people actually understand that to make traffic work you need to work with your companions on the road and not just selfishly go about your driving with a 'me, myself and I' attitude. There is about 10x the amount of vehicles in Germany compared to Finland and traffic just works, road works or not vs. here if there's a shower of rain everything grinds to a halt... I always joke that the Finnish population suffers from total driving capability loss when the first snow flake touches ground  [big grin]