Comments on Effective Communication

iggy07

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I don't have any magic answers here, but I would like to make a few comments about TIME as an ingredient of communication success or failure. Please take this as a set of observations, and food for thought - NOT a comment about any individuals -- I've been thinking about this for at least 3-4 years.

Years ago I worked in a lab next to two post-doctoral researchers, he from the US, she from England. They went out together pretty seriously, and then her appointment ran out and she returned to England. Both of them intended to continue the relationship, to the extent possible. He was head-over-heels in love, but she seemed to be less so, or perhaps just found the distance was not working in their favor.

In any event, for months they wrote soul-searching letters (before e-mail) several times weekly. On several occasions he would receive a 'disturbing' letter, and would immediately sit down and pour his heart out in response, and put the letter in the mail. Two days later, he'd receive another letter from her, in which she apologized, or changed her mind, whatever. He'd them come into our lab, distraught, "Oh, sh--, what am I going to do? I just sent her that letter saying X,Y,Z, and I totally misunderstood what she was saying." We tried to be sympathetic, but after awhile it became entertaining . . .

The point is, the GAP in their communications created serious problems. Letters were passing in the night, referring to previous letters that were already obsolete, although not yet received.

With the advent of the internet, we now have precisely the opposite problem. Now we find ourselves responding too quickly, creating another set of problems. Person A responds to Person B (good, bad, or indifferent), the C chimes in, then D, then A, then C, then B. This can all happen within an hour or so, creating a very lively discussion. Now E gets home from work and reads everything, and replies by supporting A and disagreeing with B. This creates another round-robin . . .    Then someone in England or Australia wakes up and the same thing happens all over again . . . .

Here are a couple of suggestions that might be worth considering, but keep in mind, these are not intended to be 'pearls of wisdom', just some thoughts that have occurred to me over time.

1. If something is disturbing, write out a reply, but don't send it (yet). (Of course, this is not new . . . )
2. Sleep on it, or at least wait a few hours. Try to avoid the first knee-jerk reaction.
3. It may be beneficial to NOT respond to every post on a minute-to-minute basis. Sometimes you will find the other person has reconsidered, and posted a correction, or clarification, or apology. This can't happen if every reply is posted within minutes.
4. Keep in mind that in the absence of direct contact, body language and tone of voice are missing. Give others the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.
5. Try to understand what others are saying before firing off a reply. If there is any doubt, try to paraphrase the topic and seek clarification first.  (In 7 Habits of Highly Successful People, Steven Covey tells us to "Seek first to understand, then to be understood.") If your request for clarification might be interpreted as an attack, maybe it would be best to ask for clarification in a private message, rather than inadvertently starting a flame war. (Assuming, of course, you are not purposefully trying to start a flame war!.)

I'd be curious if anyone has comments, or better yet, additional suggestions.

e.g.
 
its a good set of ideas, except................

this forum isnt a court of law where nuances in language and grammer have a bearing on life or death

we are ordinary people who have a common interest in wood and festool, fast reaction isnt always bad

i dont think long and hard about every word i say, im a carpenter, i dont think like a lawyer

it is therefore a sad day when people feel so isolated they have to take radical steps to change their situation
 
Quick responses aren't 'necessarily' bad, but they can create problems under certain circumstances. We absolutely don't want, or need, any sort of rules or guidelines on how to communicate - for the most part, just 'do what comes naturally'. When misunderstandings arise, however, it might be worth considering some of these issues. Matthew has a 'hands off' policy for all but the most extreme abuses, and I agree entirely with that policy. These comments are just designed as 'food for thought' for each individual to consider for themselves.

iggy
 
im not blind to your points iggy, they have merit

i have to tread a careful line with our mutual language on fog and ways of expressing things

it doesnt always work, but im over the worst
 
The thing that sucks is it's already tomorrow here where I am, so I'm too far in time ahead of you to deliver the snappy comeback yet.  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
 
I like your number four. I would tell ALOT more jokes if someone could see my facial expressions, and here my tone of voice.
 
robtonya said:
I like your number four. I would tell ALOT more jokes if someone could see my facial expressions, and here my tone of voice.

Hi,

  Well you could do a video and link it everytime you want to tell a joke :D

Seth
 
Eli said:
The thing that sucks is it's already tomorrow here where I am, so I'm too far in time ahead of you to deliver the snappy comeback yet.  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Hi,

  Your comebacks are snappy enough Eli. If you were on the same time as most of the forum users , I don't think we  would be able to handle it! ;D

      I will be expecting a snappy come back to this anytime now. :)

Seth
 
Picking up on Iggy's #5 ..
Many years ago I was in a technical meeting in Oslo, Norway. There were about a dozen from all over Europe, including some from behind the 'iron curtain'. I was one of two invited observers from outside Europe and only one of two from primarily English speaking countries. The discussions were carried out in English. One memorable morning a heated argument developed between three  members (an Italian, a Slav and a German if I remember correctly). The Chairman was Dutch. When the attacks became somewhat personal instead of technical the chairman, in order to try and defuse the situation, asked me for my opinion.
To each person I paraphrased, in 'simple' English, the proposal he/she was promoting. It was exactly the same proposal for each. Their particular 'cultures' had educated each of them with slightly different versions of English or different words for the same things, including some of the technical stuff. Once the realization of what had been going on hit home the embarrassment was eased when I was asked to translate the proposal to American.

Cultural differences are significant both in the choice of words and the context in which they are used. Colloquial expressions can be confusing. For instance did he 'Luck in' or 'Luck out' when he won the lottery? Depending where you are from, either or both expressions are commonly used. Slang, mistyping, commercialism and the internet has only made language challenges worse. Even worse is your reply /declaration of war /credit card number or whatever can be the other side of the planet (or on your boss' desk) faster than you can sneeze.
I see elsewhere in the discussions that international 'representation' is increasing. From where I sit anywhere more than 10 km away is 'international'.
The (generally) good natured banter and advice that is exchanged may be difficult for some to understand - but for the most part the friendliness and common bonds come through even if the all the words are not always understood. Communication is not always the typed words. It can be pictures (more please!) and the way things are said or phrased.
The best communications occur when people are actually listening. Most of our 'lurkers' just listen. The messages they hear are up to the active members of the group.

SteveD
 
semenza said:
robtonya said:
I like your number four. I would tell ALOT more jokes if someone could see my facial expressions, and here my tone of voice.

Hi,

   Well you could do a video and link it everytime you want to tell a joke :D

It took me over a hundred posts before I could figure out how to upload pictures. Videos, give me a few years, and maybe I will be as good as Per, and upload pics with links to my attempt to be funny.  ;D

Seth
 
robtonya said:
. Videos, give me a few years, and maybe I will be as good as Per, and upload pics with links to my attempt to be funny.  ;D

Are you actually implying that Per can be funny?  ;D ::) ;)
 
greg mann said:
robtonya said:
. Videos, give me a few years, and maybe I will be as good as Per, and upload pics with links to my attempt to be funny.  ;D

Are you actually implying that Per can be funny?  ;D ::) ;)

Well see, that came out wrong on my part, I was referring to his abilitys on the computer, not his ability on humor. ;D
 
Well said Iggy.

Back in the pre-historic days of electronic bulletin boards (ok, so it wasn't really THAT far back)  a SYSADMIN had to lecture the whole board on the virtues of writing a responce..... then hitting the delete button.

Steve
 
Iggy,

Thank you for this thread.  I do appreciate what you have written.  Often I have attempted to reply to one thread or another to convey much of what you have here, but have simply elected to not hit the 'Post' button and just leave it alone.  This was a nice approach, so, again I thank you for your thread.

Corwin
 
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