Conrete Table - not sure if this was ever posted

Dovetail65 said:
A Concrete Table, Beginning to End - by Michael Williams

Like the table, thanks for posting. Does anyone know if that's a Flex buffer he's using?

It took 6 of them to move it.
 
The engineered concretes have a lot of glass in them.
Usually the underside is formed with webs or gussets when that material is used.
It is more expensive but lighter for the same strength.
 
Holmz said:
The engineered concretes have a lot of glass in them.
Usually the underside is formed with webs or gussets when that material is used.
It is more expensive but lighter for the same strength.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]
This doesn't appear to be engineered concrete, correct?

Are you familar with the engineered concrete expense ratio and weight ratio compared to regular concrete?
 
Cheese said:
Holmz said:
The engineered concretes have a lot of glass in them.
Usually the underside is formed with webs or gussets when that material is used.
It is more expensive but lighter for the same strength.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]
This doesn't appear to be engineered concrete, correct?

Are you familiar with the engineered concrete expense ratio and weight ratio compared to regular concrete?

I don't appear like engineered concrete to me.
Even the guys that do this all the time seem to have mostly moved to the engineered concrete.
Somewhat for strength, consistency, and ease of use.
And probably just as much or more for not bust a gut installing it.

Usually the labor is more that the materials, and they are passing the material costs on.
The main reason to not use the engineered products is if they will not sell it to someone untrained and to keep their products within a known chain of custody and control.

The Mrs wanted to take a course a few years ago, and so we did.
I have not done any real projects, but I have a bathroom counter coming up.
We did shift track and did a couple of floors, which are also engineered products but 90% different in approach. The only thing the same was mixing and sanding really.

As for weight, they can look like the massive telescope mirrors where the back-side resembles a belgian waffle. Therefore one can have higher webs (for stiffness/strength), and the webs have a lot higher glass to concrete ratio, with a ~1/4" layer of less strong (but still 3x stringer than concrete) engineered product.
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They also have glass rebar which has exactly the same coefficient of expansion as the glass in the concrete. Those are in the 3-mm and upwards sizes. Not sure if they are using those types of products in bridges and other civil projects, but they are generally headed that way to my knowledge. Most thing 'concrete' break in tension, which is where the engineered products excel. Concrete is plenty strong in compression, but earthquakes produce the tensile forces.

The engineered counters do not fly away on their own like a Findhorn roof design. They are still heavy enough.

But it is a nice looking counter he did. I would just not want to have to move it much.
There is nothing to find fault with, it just he went old-school on it... and he should be proud of it.
 
This is a great thread!

I used to do muck around with concrete counters some yrs ago, took some training with a guy in Cali - he runs Cheung Design. Been thinking about integrating concrete into wood. These polymer (glass) supporting substrates are a very interesting development. Have how large of an area have they been used in? I guess it would not work for structural situations, such as floors, due to fire codes, but maybe you know otherwise. I'd be really keen to learn more.

Thanks for any comments you might offer, Mike
 
Most of the strength for a floating floor comes from the steel inside the concrete.
The top may be under compression, but the bottom will be under tension.

I do not know how concrete stands up to fire, but the twin towers is one example.
If there is fire then once the steel gets hot its strength goes.
I do not know how the glass responds, but at 500c it fusable. Glasses do not really have a melting point, or a solidification point. So probably 1/2 strength at 300C, none at 500, and 0-100C is probably constant??
Clearly by 300C one would be headed towards a window.

They used to flock the concrete with asbestos to prevent heat getting into the structure, so the only the intended use it is ideal.
 
Alex said:
I think that's the old style Festool Rotex RO 150 E he uses to polish the slab.

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I was just curious because he was using some liquid on the surface and I know that Flex has grinders made specifically for that type of application, and whereas the profile of the machine also looked like a Rotex to me, Festool doesn't recommend using the Rotex in that manner.
 
[member=40772]Holmz[/member]
Glad this topic surfaced again, I had several questions for you that I forgot to ask.

How large is the object in the picture you attached?

What is the material, it looks like a polymer of some sort. I think I can see the witness marks left by the ejector pins in the mold/tooling.
 
[member=44099]Cheese[/member]  - I dunno, there are a bunch of pictures on the web of mirrors that are 20+ feet in diameter.
Most have hexagonal cores and they seem to be ready to pour in the molten glass, so it is not as apparent as to what the final product will look like with the cores out.
This picture was clear which is why I choose it.
On a larger scale and in concrete:
waffle_ceiling.jpg


Molten glass and concrete are similar from the casting perspective.
 
Sorry I'm so late to the conversation...  But glad you dig the table, fellas. And yes, that was an old school RO 150. I happen to have some friends who don't mind fixing them after I use them for some occasional wet sanding.

No real science to the design... Made it up as I went. Seems to be holding together pretty nicely.

Cheers.

M
 
Concrete tops for tools stands in the shop?  [eek] [blink] Hmmm.  [wink]
 
I actually collaborate with a local guy that makes concrete countertops. I build the furniture bases and he builds concrete tops. He can make these tops look like marble. Ill try to get pictures to this thread
 
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